It’s a miracle! I agree with Eric Holder!

May 17, 2014
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The man seems to care deeply about racial discrimination:

Since the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education Supreme Court decision, Holder said laws that are overtly discriminatory no longer survive the “strict scrutiny” legal standard.

He said the new battleground against discrimination should focus on policies and laws that appear race-neutral but in practice impede equal opportunity.

“This is the work that truly matters – because policies that disenfranchise specific groups are more pernicious than hateful rants,” Holder told the graduates at Morgan State, a historically black college.

I agree wholeheartedly, Mr. Attorney General. So what are we going to do about this “policy that disenfranchises a specific group”?

642 Responses to It’s a miracle! I agree with Eric Holder!

  1. Plu.to on June 9, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    But you don’t have to be happy that other people pay a stiff price for the treachery.

    Disgusting, craven straw man.

    You don’t put his dad on TV so he can praise Islam and promise vengeance against America.

    Nobody did this, it is your fluffy narrative.

    You don’t make an example of how willing you are to cave if the other side has a hostage.

    Nobody did this, it is your craven creation.

    You think carefully before freeing up key enemy leaders.

    Another craven straw man.

    shut up and salute

    Stunningly stupid.

    Say, salute Ted Cruz? Because, according to your carefully constructed narrative, Ted Cruz wanted to put Americans in harm’s way in order to use force to free a deserter. Why isn’t the GOP criticizing Ted Cruz? Moreover, you have to have intel in order to know where the deserter is, in order to free him. Ted Cruz was arguing to put Americans in harm’s way to gather intel. That is a no-no, according to conservatives, soldiers in Afghanistan should not be going on patrol to gather information that might be useful. According to the carefully constructed conservative narrative.

  2. Plu.to on June 9, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    Here is the text from the Statement by the President upon Bergdahl’s release. Notice how the President praises American soldiers…but does not praise Bergdahl himself:

    THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon, everybody. This morning, I called Bob and Jani Bergdahl and told them that after nearly five years in captivity, their son, Bowe, is coming home.

    Sergeant Bergdahl has missed birthdays and holidays and the simple moments with family and friends, which all of us take for granted. But while Bowe was gone he was never forgotten. His parents thought about him and prayed for him every single day, as did his sister, Sky, who prayed for his safe return.

    He wasn’t forgotten by his community in Idaho, or the military, which rallied to support the Bergdahls through thick and thin. And he wasn’t forgotten by his country, because the United States of America does not ever leave our men and women in uniform behind.

    As Commander-in-Chief, I am proud of the servicemembers who recovered Sergeant Bergdahl and brought him safely out of harm’s way. As usual, they performed with extraordinary courage and professionalism, and they have made their nation proud.

    Right now, our top priority is making sure that Bowe gets the care and support that he needs and that he can be reunited with his family as soon as possible.

    I’m also grateful for the tireless work of our diplomats, and for the cooperation of the government of Qatar in helping to secure Bowe’s release. We’ve worked for several years to achieve this goal, and earlier this week I was able to personally thank the Emir of Qatar for his leadership in helping us get it done. As part of this effort, the United States is transferring five detainees from the prison in Guantanamo Bay to Qatar. The Qatari government has given us assurances that it will put in place measures to protect our national security.

    I also want to express gratitude to the Afghan government, which has always supported our efforts to secure Bowe’s release. Going forward, the United States will continue to support an Afghan-led process of reconciliation, which could help secure a hard-earned peace within a sovereign and unified Afghanistan.

    As I said earlier this week, we’re committed to winding down the war in Afghanistan, and we are committed to closing Gitmo. But we also made an ironclad commitment to bring our prisoners of war home. That’s who we are as Americans. It’s a profound obligation within our military, and today, at least in this instance, it’s a promise we’ve been able to keep.

    I am mindful, though, that there are many troops who remain missing in the past. That’s why we’re never going to forget; we’re never going to give up our search for servicemembers who remain unaccounted for. We also remain deeply committed to securing the release of American citizens who are unjustly detained abroad and deserve to be reunited with their families, just like the Bergdahls soon will be.

    Bob and Jani, today families across America share in the joy that I know you feel. As a parent, I can’t imagine the hardship that you guys have gone through. As President, I know that I speak for all Americans when I say we cannot wait for the moment when you are reunited and your son, Bowe, is back in your arms.

    So, with that, I’d like Bob to have an opportunity to say something, and Jani, if she’d like as well. Please.

    MRS. BERGDAHL: I just want to say thank you to everyone who has supported Bowe. He’s had a wonderful team everywhere. We will continue to stay strong for Bowe while he recovers. Thank you.

    MR. BERGDAHL: I’d like to say to Bowe right now, who is having trouble speaking English — (speaks in Pashto) — I’m your father, Bowe.

    To the people of Afghanistan, the same — (speaks in Pashto) — the complicated nature of this recovery was — will never really be comprehended. To each and every single one who effected this, in this country, in the service branches, at the State Department, throughout the whole of American government, and around the world, international governments around the world, thank you so much. We just can’t communicate the words this morning when we heard from the President.

    So we look forward to continuing the recovery of our son, which is going to be a considerable task for our family. And we hope that the media will understand that that will keep us very preoccupied in the coming days and weeks as he gets back home to the United States.

    Thank you all for being here very much.

    • Jake on June 9, 2014 at 3:54 pm

      This is the first I’ve read the english translation. Not even close to what the wingnuts are claiming. What a shock! Jim, are you in on the fabrication of lies or just a loyal party parrot?

  3. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 9, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Hillary is so poor….
    “will govern for food” and other one-liners.
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23HillaryIsSoPoor&src=hash

  4. Ken_phd on June 9, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Jim:

    It’s just another made for TV fictional account of HRC showing her to be a woman of the people. I am sure the media will have a spot showing a smiling HRC eating a hearty breakfast of hog jowls and grits.

    • Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on June 9, 2014 at 8:35 pm

      Remember how she claimed to be dodging sniper fire when arriving at Sarajevo some years back? Her memory is still playing tricks, it appears.
      http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/09/hillary-clinton-book-benghazi-chapter/
      ” … while there were Marines stationed at our embassy in Tripoli, where nearly all of our diplomats worked and which had the capability to process classified material, because there was no classified processing at the diplomatic compound in Benghazi, there were no Marines posted there,” Clinton writes.”

      Actually, reports the writer, there were no Marines at Tripoli either, until after the attack.

  5. Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on June 9, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    VA scandal worsens as more info comes out.
    Good thing ordinary Americans are not under the thumb of government medicine…

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/06/va-scandal-worsens-64000-vets-never-got-appointments-and-another-57000-forced-to-wait/
    More than 57,000 U.S. military veterans have been waiting 90 days or more for their first VA medical appointments, and an additional 64,000 appear to have fallen through the cracks, never getting appointments after enrolling and requesting them, the Veterans Affairs Department said Monday.

    It’s not just a backlog problem, the wide-ranging review indicated. Thirteen percent of schedulers in the facility-by-facility report on 731 hospitals and outpatient clinics reported being told by supervisors to falsify appointment schedules to make patient waits appear shorter.

  6. Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on June 9, 2014 at 8:58 pm

    Ken, I’ve been away from the news for a few days. Is the Obama Admin still “doubling down” on Bergdahl being a hero?
    Or are they starting to search for space under the bus?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/09/digging-in-why-wont-obama-acknowledge-that-bergdahl-is-no-hero/
    “Yes, there are unanswered questions. But can any reasonable person now deny that Bergdahl, whatever his motivation, walked away from his unit in Afghanistan? Why not acknowledge that in some fashion? The fact that we don’t know everything that happened didn’t stop the president from staging a celebratory event at the White House”

    • Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on June 9, 2014 at 8:59 pm

      http://townhall.com/tipsheet/danieldoherty/2014/06/06/susan-rice-doubles-down-on-controversial-bowe-bergdahl-comments-n1848582
      “White House National Security Advisor Susan Rice is not distancing herself from controversial comments she made asserting that Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl served his country with “honor and distinction””

    • Plu.to on June 9, 2014 at 9:20 pm

      Is the Obama Admin still “doubling down” on Bergdahl being a hero?

      Straw man.

      Or are they starting to search for space under the bus?

      Straw man.

      There is a certain information vacuum, to be sure, and the GOP is filling it up as best it can with silly, fluffy narrative.

      Yes, there are unanswered questions.

      Yes, why don’t you wait for them to be answered? Rather than putting up straw man after straw man after straw man?

      But can any reasonable person now deny that Bergdahl, whatever his motivation, walked away from his unit in Afghanistan? Why not acknowledge that in some fashion?

      Because there is an upcoming military investigation. Why not acknowledge that in some fashion, and wait?

      The fact that we don’t know everything that happened didn’t stop the president from staging a celebratory event at the White House

      Yet another straw man.

      You are a piece of work, Ji.m, with your furious straw men, your judge and jury.

      How many weeks can you remain busy as a bee regarding Bergdahl?

      When will Ted Cruz acknowledge that he wanted to put Americans in harm’s way for a deserter?

    • Ken_phd on June 10, 2014 at 4:12 am

      Jim:

      ” Is the Obama Admin still “doubling down” on Bergdahl being a hero?”

      No. After the comments from Bergdahl’s fellow soldiers it’s clear that he deserted. The only question remaining is whether he collaborated with the enemy. That question likely has already been answered by the army’s previous investigation (classified). If it found any good news for Bergdahl, it would have been declassified and released by now.

      Aymy doctors have given Bergdahl a clean bill of health undermining Obama’s narrative that Bergdahl’s poor heath was in the reason he acted.

      Not to worry. The Bergdahl scandal looks to be overtaken by the invasion of illegal immigrant children overwhelming the border control facilities in the southwest.

      The Obama nightmare continues.

      • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on June 10, 2014 at 4:38 am

        An exchange with State Depts Jen “hashtag ” Psaki.
        For the record, Bergdahl is not a Marine, though.

        Fox News Q: Just a quick follow up on Matt’s question. You mentioned because Sergeant Bergdahl is a member of the military you went after him. If you have a Marine reservist in Mexico, why can’t you do a similar swap for him?

        MS. PSAKI: I understand the desire to make comparisons, but we wouldn’t compare them.

        This is — it was a Marine [sic] who was taken while in combat, and you’re talking about a situation of an individual who the Mexican authorities are accusing of violating the law.

        Fox News Q: But I’m sure we have five cartel members or somebody in jail we could swap in exchange for this Marine.

        • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on June 10, 2014 at 4:41 am

          Obama administration officials on Tuesday admitted that they have no idea if U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was captured by the Taliban during combat, a dramatic change from their explanation just a day earlier.

          On Monday, State Department Spokeswoman Jen Psaki was asked several times if the government saw Bergdahl as someone who was trying to desert from the Army. That question was a reaction to press reports based on soldiers who served with Bergdahl.

          • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on June 10, 2014 at 4:42 am

            Psaki rejected that theory on Monday, and said Bergdahl was captured during combat.

          • Ken_phd on June 10, 2014 at 5:19 am

            Jim:

            News flash! Room for Hagel under the bus? Who knew?

            Full crisis mode: Obama administration now saying the Bergdahl deal was Chuck Hagel’s call

            http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2549515

          • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 10, 2014 at 9:02 am

            OMG, the Repubs are at fault after all! Who knew that Hagel would “go rogue”?

          • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 10, 2014 at 11:37 am

            More on the Hagel story. Still consistent with a publicity stunt that went awry.

            http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/06/taliban-bergdahl-swap-unpopular-so-blame-hagel/#more-88734
            “It was the president of the United States that came out with the Bergdahls and took all the credit. And now that there’s been a little pushback, he’s moving away from it?”
            The administration’s claim that Hagel, not Obama, made the decision is at odds with what Hagel himself said on Meet the Press on June 1. “I signed off on the decision,” Hagel said. “The president made the ultimate decision.”

          • Plu.to on June 10, 2014 at 3:46 pm

            Washington Examiner…Legal Insurrection…

            The knotted knickers right wing now takes up the subject of Hagel. How best to fit Hagel into the constantly evolving right wing hysteric narrative?

      • Plu.to on June 10, 2014 at 3:43 pm

        The Obama nightmare continues.

        Well, at least in the right wing nutter world.

      • Plu.to on June 10, 2014 at 3:49 pm

        The only question remaining is…

        Hilarious. More precisely, the only remaining right wing spin.

        The Bergdahl scandal looks to be overtaken…

        The right wing nutter butterfly flits from one manufactured scandal to another.

  7. Rhoda Penmark on June 10, 2014 at 4:26 am

    The mystery why the GOP isn’t connecting with women continues:

    The husband of state Sen. Joni Ernst, the Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Iowa, called Hillary Clinton a “hag” on Facebook a year ago.

    “Truly more of a hag now than when she was 1st Lady,” Gail Ernst, Joni Ernst’s husband, wrote on Facebook.

    • Ken_phd on June 10, 2014 at 5:23 am

      Rhoda:

      “Truly more of a hag now than when she was 1st Lady,”

      The truth hurts. If HRC gets ruffled by that, she shouldn’t run for president.

      • Plu.to on June 10, 2014 at 3:30 pm

        If HRC gets ruffled by that, she shouldn’t run for president.

        Straw man.

        Is Ted more creepy now than his college days? His interviews lend credibility to speculation. But, if he is ruffled by the truth of Ted “Creepy” Cruz, he shouldn’t run for president.

  8. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on June 10, 2014 at 4:31 am

    A cute one liner on the financial troubles of Hillary
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/monday-meme-the-struggle-is-real/article/2549476

  9. Ken_phd on June 10, 2014 at 7:49 am

    Jim:

    Off Topic.

    Uh-oh. AGW and CO2 concentration causation being thrown under the bus for Antarctica. New theory =>Volcanic activity. Who knew?

    Evidence for elevated and spatially variable geothermal flux beneath the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/06/04/1405184111.abstract?sid=93babf77-68f6-411a-9210-22e501823b43

    • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 10, 2014 at 9:03 am

      Hmmm. I think there will be a political backlash from Dems.
      Control of volcanic forces does not provide sufficient opportunity for graft.

      • Plu.to on June 10, 2014 at 3:38 pm

        Control of volcanic forces does not provide sufficient opportunity for graft.

        I wouldn’t direct that at Ken, because he has grifted a considerable amount of taxpayers’ hard-earned money into his own pocket with his ICBM hysteria.

    • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 10, 2014 at 11:25 am

      More on the politics behind climate change.

      http://online.wsj.com/articles/best-of-the-web-today-springtime-for-warmists-1402342775
      National Journal’s Lucia Graves takes a different approach. Instead of denying that Obama’s actions are dictatorial, she disputes … there’s anything wrong with that. Lest you think we exaggerate, her piece is titled “Obama’s Thankfully ‘Dictatorial’ Approach to Climate Change.” According to Graves… “It also makes a lot of sense when it comes to global warming given Congress’s failure to pass the Waxman-Markey energy bill in 2009, and, for decades before that, to pass any sort of comprehensive climate legislation whatsoever.”
      Yes, it has come to this. Americans are being urged to submit to “dictatorial” government because democracy is incapable of controlling the weather.

      Commenter: Have you noticed that the nature of the crisis du jour may change, but the solutions always involve higher taxes and more power for the political class?

      • Plu.to on June 10, 2014 at 3:40 pm

        the solutions always involve higher taxes and more power for the political class?

        I wouldn’t direct that at Ken, because he has grifted a considerable amount of taxpayers’ hard-earned money into his own pocket with his ICBM hysteria.

    • Plu.to on June 10, 2014 at 3:36 pm

      Who knew?

      Certainly not you, since you recently doubled down that there is no run-off in Antarctica.

      But, fortunately, the National Science Foundation (which the GOP wishes to cut funding for) is not you and funded the study, and will fund further study.

      AGW and CO2 concentration causation being thrown under the bus for Antarctica.

      Well, at least in the furiously spinning nutter blogosphere. In the real world it is known that AGW is causing profound Antarctic melt.

      • Ken_phd on June 10, 2014 at 4:00 pm

        Pluto:

        “In the real world it is known that AGW is causing profound Antarctic melt.”

        Ah yes, the standard “profound Antarctica melt” incantation. Hint: There’s not much melting going on at -86F.

        http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/antarctica/south-pole

        • Pluto on June 10, 2014 at 5:26 pm

          Hint: There’s not much melting going on at -86F.

          You just cited the temperature at the south pole in winter.

          You are stunningly stupid.

          See Figure 2:

          http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~chopping/rs/grace_ice-loss.pdf

          • Ken_phd on June 11, 2014 at 5:13 am

            Pluto:

            “You are stunningly stupid.”

            You don’t say? But not quite as stupid as those who believe ice doesn’t form at 32F? Chris Turney drank the kool-aid. (Another crackpot AGW “scientist” who is now a laughingstock poster boy for your religion.)

            I’ll keep posting Antarctica temperatures. You tell everyone when the CO2 caused melting occurs.

          • Pluto on June 11, 2014 at 9:02 am

            But not quite as stupid as those who believe ice doesn’t form at 32F?

            Good question, are you more stupid than one of your straw men? Yes, you are more stupid than your own straw men.

            Chris Turney drank the kool-aid.

            Speaking of straw men…

            laughingstock poster boy

            Right wing nutters do love their poster boys.

            I’ll keep posting Antarctica temperatures.

            You do that, Ken! Those winter south pole temperatures are valuable information.

          • Ken_phd on June 11, 2014 at 9:56 am

            Jim:

            “Right wing nutters do love their poster boys.”

            Yes we do! Especially one with a pompous AGW nutter playing the village idiot role.

          • Pluto on June 11, 2014 at 2:58 pm

            Especially one with a pompous right wing AGW nutter playing the village idiot role.

            And let’s not forget your understudy and hoofer, Jim, hailing from Mtn View CA,USA.

  10. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 10, 2014 at 9:08 am

    As is well known, the unemployment rate would be far more severe without the millions who have given up, or have taken part time jobs, or gone back to school, or stayed in school, … or filed for disability.
    This report is bad news, when fake claimants predominate the deserving get shafted eventually.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-social-security-judges-rubber-stamp-claims-074108387–politics.html
    Four Social Security judges defended their work Tuesday amid accusations they rubber-stamped claims for disability benefits, approving billions of dollars in payments from the cash-strapped program.

    Each of the judges approved more than 90 percent of the cases they heard from 2005 to 2013 … “In essence, these judges rubber stamped nearly every claimant before them for a lifetime of benefits at taxpayer expense”

  11. Rhoda Penmark on June 10, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    Eric Cantor loses.

    The purification of the party continues apace.

    • Plu.to Penmark on June 11, 2014 at 6:59 am

      I dunno, Rhoda.
      Ask all your Black friends how they feel about illegal immigration. If you are not attending an elite university made up of privileged upper-class kids I think you’ll find that it is not only Repubs who are against amnesty for illegals.

      • Pluto on June 11, 2014 at 9:11 am

        I dunno, Rhoda. Ask all your Black friends how they feel about illegal immigration. If you are not attending an elite university made up of privileged upper-class kids I think you’ll find that it is not only Repubs who are against amnesty for illegals.

        That post is out there Jim, even for you. Not only do you put your obsession with “Plu.to” on display, but you pulled a monkey out and it immediately flung poo.

        • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 12, 2014 at 8:32 am

          Wow, Plu.to, this response is stunningly stupid, even for you.
          Your “Rhoda” sock-pup implicitly says Repubs are way-out-there in not approving of illegals, but if you bothered to explore outside your tidy-whitey sphere of influence you’d find that a lot of people whose voices don’t get heard are affected by this in quite negative ways.

          Young black men who don’t get admitted to elite universities _need_ starter jobs that get them climbing the ladder.
          They need to establish basic skills, get a track record and have the pride that comes from earning a living. Instead, they often find themselves locked out of entry-level jobs by illegals who work hard and don’t complain. Too many of our youth fall back on welfare and petty crime and have their lives blighted. Their communities suffer big-time too.
          Seriously, are you unaware of this aspect of the issue?

          • Plu.to on June 12, 2014 at 10:51 am

            Your “Rhoda” sock-pup…

            I have never posted as Rhoda.

            Seriously, are you unaware of this aspect of the issue?

            Your non-sequitur continues to be way out there.

  12. Ken_phd on June 12, 2014 at 8:45 am

    Jim:

    Pluto is here to post the Dens talking points and denigrate anyone who disagrees. Nothing more. His favorite words are fluffy, spittle, parody, straw men and nutter. He pretends tha

    • Plu.to on June 12, 2014 at 11:11 am

      Pluto is here to post the Dens talking points…

      I post to correct your inaccuracies. If those truths you confuse with Dem talking points, deal with it.

      and denigrate anyone who disagrees….

      Your very first post on this forum sought to denigrate. Nobody gets down in the mud better than you, Ken.

      are all just fictitious problems

      They are ODS for the most part. History will see January 2009 as the beginning of the GOP’s serious ODS problem. Since January 2009 the GOP has been focused solely on seeing Obama fail.

      right wing conservative zealots

      But, you are a right wing conservative zealot. Witness your support of Ted Cruz. Your facile ability to be “past having doubt” extends to your politics. Past having doubt equals parking your brain at the door. Witness your massive confusion regarding Antarctica.

      His typical response on this board is to use insulting juvenile responses to serious questions.

      Rich, coming from the guy who would routinely type some variation of, “Back to sleep, bud” and “cupcake”. Juvenile would be posting the winter south pole temperature. Juvenile would be your constant use of Jim as a foil, witness your past two posts. If I type “straw man”…it is because you posted up a straw man. Deal with it. If I use the words silly and fluffy…it is because you posted up fluff. Deal with it. You have always felt more comfortable bringing the tone down into the mud, deal with it.

      You have always been a tad obsessed with me, a condition which is not reciprocated, deal with it.

      Truth hurts, Ken, but you will just have to wear it.

      Now back to sleep, cupcake.

  13. Ken_phd on June 12, 2014 at 8:57 am

    Jim:

    Continued….

    t every scandal (IRS, VA, immigration, Benghazi, every foreign policy decision, Bergdahl, Fast and Furious, Obamacare, EPA, AGW, etc, etc) are all just fictitious problems brought on by right wing conservative zealots. His typical response on this board is to use insulting juvenile responses to serious questions.

    When has he ever admitted a problem exists and put forth a serious solution?

  14. Plu.to on June 12, 2014 at 11:23 am

    When has he ever admitted a problem exists and put forth a serious solution?

    Bergdahl represents a serious problem. On many levels.

    But,unfortunately, you and Jim have not posted a single post which attempts to understand the multifaceted problem highlighted by Bergdahl. Your posts pass through an amazing ODS filter, and for an outsider it is fascinating to watch…unfortunately, in the manner of a train wreck.

    For you Bergdahl is simply an opportunity to attempt to bludgeon in an election year.

    When you folks can put aside the myriad of juvenile ODS then the problems and solutions can be addressed in and adult fashion.

    Bub.

    • Ken_phd on June 12, 2014 at 11:26 am

      Jim:

      I rest my case.

      • Plu.to on June 12, 2014 at 11:34 am

        “Jim: I rest my case.”

        And, in doing so, you precisely made my case.

      • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 12, 2014 at 12:58 pm

        Ken, you may enjoy this thoughtful article on climate change.
        http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/180501

        • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 12, 2014 at 12:59 pm

          Hah, link broken from this morning, this one seems to work correctly
          http://www.hoover.org/research/hot-air-climate-change

          • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 12, 2014 at 1:03 pm

            A couple of snips to give a feel for it–

            Perhaps it is because the climate is so complex and because predictions from the models are so imprecise that pragmatic Americans are doubtful of climate change. … Even if all the mitigation were successful, how much would it matter to global warming or climate variation? Climate scientists agree that some amount of additional climate change . . . is now unavoidable” because of existing stores of GHG in the atmosphere. …
            In other words mitigation to slow or halt GHG emissions will be costly today with little payout over the next 100, if not 1000, years … And for these results to occur, the United States would have to be joined by the rest of the industrialized nations as well as the developing ones, something that is not going to happen.

          • Ken_phd on June 12, 2014 at 2:53 pm

            Jim:

            Good read. Thanks.

          • Pluto on June 12, 2014 at 3:23 pm

            Follow the money. His “Property and Environmental Research Center” is well funded to argue that the free market solves all environmental problems, and therefore de-regulation of industry and privatization of public lands should be pursued. Too clever by half to argue that the solution to environmental concerns is to unleash the free market. His reference to a “climate war” by Obama and the Keystone XL pipeline is the first tell of where his allegiance lies. Thus it is no surprise that he receives Koch funding, as well as millions from other far right wing sources. In the instance of the linked essay, the numerous errors regarding AGW and climatology greatly weaken the strength of any argument that he might have in favor of a free market approach to climate change. His coining of the phrase “honest scientist” is slick, thus implying that there are dishonest scientists at work. Slick.

          • Pluto on June 12, 2014 at 8:34 pm

            The author in that link, Terry Anderson, used to work in the 1980s for the Tobacco Institute:

            http://www.sciencecorruption.com/ATN165/00228.html

            He would write op-eds in exchange for cash. Now, 30 years later, he is writing op-eds in exchange for cash.

            Follow the money.

  15. Ken_phd on June 12, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    Jim:

    Re: Pluto’s unsolicited diatribe

    I rest my case (again).

    • Pluto on June 12, 2014 at 4:00 pm

      unsolicited

      If you weren’t so obsessed with trolling, and didn’t use Jim as a foil, then you might have a case. As it stands, weak.

      diatribe

      See, this is why the words, “silly” and “fluffy” apply to you, Ken. Endless flights of monkeys fly out of your ass.

      I rest my case (again).

      Another monkey. If it were only the last.

      • Ken_phd on June 13, 2014 at 6:07 am

        Pluto:

        “Endless flights of monkeys fly out of your ass.”

        A stupefying juvenile response. It’s no wonder you had problems with your colleagues.

        • Pluto on June 13, 2014 at 1:38 pm

          Ken, you shouldn’t say the words “stupefying juvenile” too boldly, since you think that winter temperatures at the south pole are relevant.

          It’s no wonder you had problems with your colleagues….

          Ken, do you still shave your mother’s back?

          • Ken_phd on June 13, 2014 at 7:41 pm

            Pluto:

            “It’s no wonder you had problems getting along with your colleagues.”

            Did I hit a nerve? I empathize with your predicament but you have only yourself to blame,

          • Pluto on June 13, 2014 at 9:09 pm

            Did I hit a nerve, Ken? Because you dodged the question, do you still shave your mother’s back?

    • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on June 12, 2014 at 9:51 pm

      The importance and, indeed, significance of Pluto appears to be diminishing.
      http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25711-two-giant-planets-may-cruise-unseen-beyond-pluto.html

      • Pluto on June 12, 2014 at 10:25 pm

        Jim, the two giant planets are henceforth named in your honor, “Hsigo” and “Urbuht”.

        • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 13, 2014 at 12:30 pm

          Plu.to, I believe that if you bother to check you’ll find those hsigo’s are flying out of Ur.anus.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Q_XHw1ofk

          • Pluto on June 13, 2014 at 2:01 pm

            Naw. I’m the dog. I upskirt Minnie, not outskirt Ur.anus.

          • Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on June 17, 2014 at 4:45 pm

            Pluto’s orbit is irregular. Kind of a metaphor.

          • Pluto on June 17, 2014 at 5:00 pm

            Yes, the planet Pluto has an eccentric orbit, and in orbital resonance with Neptune. But, I am the dog, and thus a better metaphoric example would be that certain conservative poster on this forum who is always circular but in orbital resonance with Uranus.

          • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 20, 2014 at 8:14 am

            Another metaphor, conservative writer banned from a library because he did research that shows Hillary in a bad light. The fascist impulses are coming to the surface.
            Are you sure you want to stand with Hitlery?
            http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/06/all-your-libraries-are-belong-to-hillary/

          • Pluto on June 20, 2014 at 2:53 pm

            More accurately:

            Jim links to a right wing blog, which describes the travails of another right wing blogger, using descriptions from that same right wing blogger. Jim does not delve into the story further, he is absolutely, stunning incurious; rather, he chugs the Kool-Aid down straight from the pitcher.

            Be very, very careful, Jim, the more you chug the Kook-Aid, the more you will develop HDS.

            Hitlery

            Oh, Oh, too late, you already show advanced stages of HDS.

            Ping! Ping! Ping! Reality bounces off Jim’s plexiglass bubble, thick with the smoke of Jim huffing HDS.

          • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on June 22, 2014 at 6:19 am

            Before you write consider how it may apply to you.

  16. Pluto on June 13, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    From Jim’s link above:

    Because climate change is so difficult to predict…

    In this section Terry Anderson tries to create a fog surrounding climate models. His overarching goal is to prevent government regulation and involvement in AGW.

    Climate scientists agree that…

    But then he uses climate models to argue that it is not possible to limit CO2 effect on future climate. IN other words, he casts doubt on models when it suits him, and uses models when it suits him. At one point he even uses the EPA as a solid source, even though he has devoted his life to limiting EPA regulation.

    For example, despite continued increases in GHG emissions…modelers have added the ability of oceans to uptake carbon as an explanation for the “hiatus”.

    Here he is just plain wrong; specifically, it the ability of oceans to absorb HEAT, not carbon. This is one more tell that he is a lobbyist, and doesn’t expend much effort to learn the facts.

    pragmatic Americans are doubtful of climate change

    Clever! Pragmatic Americans are doubtful of former tobacco lobbyist Terry Anderson.

    Such results force honest scientists to reassess their models…

    Clever again! Sowing seeds of doubt regarding the integrity of climate research…

    Terry Anderson is a lobbyist and a for-hire fog machine. He did it for the tobacco industry, and following the money shows that he is doing it again for anti-AGW interests. He receives millions from corporate interests.

  17. Pluto on June 13, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    Terry Anderson also lines his pocket with cash lobbying for the Keystone pipeline. One of his arguments is that the pipeline will reduce spills from trucking. That is a valid argument, and so we can assume that Terry is also concerned of the security threat represented by the pipeline. Just think how simple it would be for terrorists to blow up the pipeline along any one of the hundreds of unsecured miles that it passes through. Too easy. Right Terry? Right? Nope, you will never find Terry writing about security concerns about the Keystone pipeline. Why? Follow the money.

    • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 13, 2014 at 2:29 pm

      The money leads back to Warren Buffet’s trains.
      And President Goldman-Sachs.

      • Pluto on June 13, 2014 at 3:12 pm

        ^Follow the money leading to Terry Anderson, the author of your hot air lobbyist piece.

        • Ken_phd on June 13, 2014 at 7:49 pm

          Pluto:

          Antarctica is melting! Antarctica is melting! Antarctica is melting! Antarctica is melting! Antarctica is melting!

          From the dumpkof who doesn’t understand that ice doesn’t melt until it reaches 32F.

        • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on June 13, 2014 at 10:13 pm

          I prefer to follow the big bucks not the small change.

          • Pluto on June 13, 2014 at 10:23 pm

            But, you linked to Terry Anderson, who writes op-eds in exchange for cash.

          • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on June 14, 2014 at 4:20 am

            And what he wrote is correct.

            Perhaps it is because the climate is so complex and because predictions from the models are so imprecise that pragmatic Americans are doubtful of climate change. … Even if all the mitigation were successful, how much would it matter to global warming or climate variation? Climate scientists agree that some amount of additional climate change . . . is now unavoidable” because of existing stores of GHG in the atmosphere. …
            In other words mitigation to slow or halt GHG emissions will be costly today with little payout over the next 100, if not 1000, years … And for these results to occur, the United States would have to be joined by the rest of the industrialized nations as well as the developing ones, something that is not going to happen.

          • Pluto on June 14, 2014 at 5:30 pm

            And what he wrote is correct.

            He agreed that anthropogenic CO2 causes warming. He agreed that CO2 has a long half-live in the system, thus present CO2 levels will continue to cause warming. He uses scientists’ models in making these arguments. Thus the logical conclusion is that we should be very concerned by the fact that anthropogenic CO2 is increasing and increasing.

            Why does he ignore this? Why does he cherry pick which scientists’ results to bolster, and which to discredit?

            Follow the money: he is a lobbyist for de-regulation of industry.

          • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on June 15, 2014 at 4:12 pm

            At least he isn’t a shill for dictatorship. Like you.

          • Pluto on June 15, 2014 at 4:29 pm

            At least he isn’t a shill for dictatorship. Like you.

            Three errors in your post.

            Economy of words though.

          • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 16, 2014 at 8:53 am

            Whatev, Plu.to.
            You keep following the pennies, I’ll follow the $1000 dollar bills.

          • Pluto on June 16, 2014 at 12:11 pm

            You keep following the pennies, I’ll follow the $1000 dollar bills.

            Again, the subject is your paid-for-op-ed fellow, Terry Anderson. Pay attention, Jim. No amount of your typing will distract from the fact that he wrote a fluff piece fog machine. However, if you want to follow the $1000s, we an discuss that.

          • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on June 16, 2014 at 9:26 pm

            Eight mistakes.

          • Pluto on June 17, 2014 at 2:38 am

            ^Less words, and more errors. You are moving in two directions at once.

          • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on June 18, 2014 at 11:30 am

            While you’re stuck in place.

    • Ken_phd on June 14, 2014 at 7:26 am

      Pluto:

      “Just think how simple it would be for terrorists to blow up the pipeline along any one of the hundreds of unsecured miles that it passes through. Too easy. ”

      You express concern about security of the US?

      What level of terrorist activity would you be comfortable along our southwest border? You have poo-pooed an EMP bomb explosion that would make 9/11 look like a walk in the park. That means you are some kind of idiot or so blinded by political ideology that you cannot accept reality. (I assume the latter.) I take it that the only downside for you would be the loss of a Yahoo forum in which you could blame the conservatives for the carnage.

      • Pluto on June 14, 2014 at 5:21 pm

        You have poo-pooed an EMP bomb explosion that would make 9/11 look like a walk in the park.

        More precisely, I noted the contradiction that you are against big government, yet have made a very nice living grifting taxpayers’ money with fear such as the above. Pay attention.

        That means you are some…

        Silly, fluffy conclusion using your own straw man. You are a piece of work.

        I take it that the only downside…

        Another silly, fluffy conclusion using your own straw man. Why are so many past having doubters so mean-spirited?

      • Pluto on June 14, 2014 at 5:33 pm

        What level of terrorist activity would you be comfortable along our southwest border?

        You are being disingenuous, like you always are.

        The US border is fractal.

        You know that.

        But you pretend not to…because you made good money pretending not to.

        You love big government…when it suits you.

  18. Pluto on June 13, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    Antarctica is melting!

    Yes. It is.

    From the dumpkof who doesn’t understand that ice doesn’t melt until it reaches 32F.

    You are absolutely unable to quote anyone stating that. And so, you are lying.

    Being “past having doubt” allows one to lie, doesn’t it, Ken? Why do the past having doubters, Ted Cruz for example, lie so much?

    From the dumpkof who doesn’t understand that ice doesn’t melt until it reaches 32F.

    From the moron who says that Antarctica is melting due to volcanoes.

    You were never up to the task of understanding AGW, you were always more comfortable down in the mud.

    And so, you lose. Keep dancing though, it is fun to watch.

    • Ken_phd on June 14, 2014 at 7:03 am

      Pluto:

      “From the dumpkof who doesn’t understand that ice doesn’t melt until it reaches 32F.

      You are absolutely unable to quote anyone stating that.”

      It’s simple physics.

      • Pluto on June 14, 2014 at 5:22 pm

        Yeah, I didn’t think that you could provide a quote.

        You can only dissemble.

        Nap time for you, cupcake.

        • Man Coulter on June 15, 2014 at 7:34 pm

          ^ A desperate and lame comment from someone who knows that he lost the debate.

          Aww, sucks to be you.

          • Pluto on June 15, 2014 at 7:49 pm

            ^A desperate and lame comment from someone too cowardly to post with their old name.

            You are absolutely unable to tell us what name you used to post under. Why? Because you lost the debate and slunk away.

            And so, you are the nameless representation of the current hate-filled conservative right wing.

          • ManCoulter on June 16, 2014 at 6:25 am

            Hey Charles, IAM, Jake, Rhoda, TheTrolls, plutard, etc etc etc whatever the hell your name is, you should really stop sniveling like a little pussy while you post under dozens and dozens of pseudonyms. You only come off and an unhinged hypocrite and a candyass childish fool. Maybe that’s what your going for? It’s working.

            Now, go suck your thumb you sniveling crybaby.

          • Pluto on June 16, 2014 at 12:13 pm

            ^Must be an election year, the cowards with their myriad pseudonyms have crawled out from under their rocks. This website has dozens of them, far right wing nutters all, who slunk away after some sort of rant, then they slink back under new names.

            Man Coulter is just one of the latest examples.

          • Ken_phd on June 17, 2014 at 5:54 am

            Pluto:

            “you are the nameless representation of the current hate-filled… ”

            Don’t go away mad, just go away.

          • Ken_phd = Man Coulter = angry on June 17, 2014 at 9:25 am

            Ken used to post on this blog once every few weeks. Drive-by posts, to a one directing his anger at the trolls. Then it was once a week, letting off steam from his crumbling personal life, attacking the trolls. Then it was once a day, lashing out. Then he became obsessed, lacking all intellectual courtesy, many posts per day. Using Jim as a foil, to attack the trolls.

            Aww, sucks to be you.

            But, keep dancing, we must have touched a nerve.

          • Ken_phd on June 17, 2014 at 9:55 am

            Pluto:

            “Aww, sucks to be you”

            Projection.

          • Pluto on June 17, 2014 at 3:04 pm

            Naw. It was spot on.

            But, don’t go away mad.

            Just go away.

  19. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on June 14, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    Ken, here’s one from the “cannot be parodied department”.
    Heh.
    http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/06/lets-play-progressive-or-parody/

  20. Ken_phd on June 15, 2014 at 6:46 am

    Jim:

    “Ken, here’s one from the “cannot be parodied department”.
    Heh.”

    Good catch.

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