Average government worker in Encinitas, CA makes $92,000 plus $36,000 in benefits

March 16, 2014
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Nice work if you can get it.

The state of California has posted online data for all government employees. The summary data are here, but understate the averages because they include part-time, contract, and partial-year workers. The raw data are here.

Here are the details for the seaside town of Encinitas for 2012, with part-time, contract, and partial-year workers and city council members filtered out.

Staff have data to show that the pay ranges are comparable to other California cities, so why should the elected council even question whether $130,000 per worker is fair, reasonable, or affordable, or bears any relation to private sector compensation?

The median household income (i.e. including those with two or more working adults) in Encinitas is estimated around $80,000 – $90,000 per year, with far less generous benefits.

Hat tip to California Public Policy Center.

Encinitas’ private employment data from the city in 2009 for comparison:

 

96 Responses to Average government worker in Encinitas, CA makes $92,000 plus $36,000 in benefits

  1. Ken_phd on March 16, 2014 at 6:44 am

    Jim:

    Democrats seek ways to limit Obamacare fallout after Florida defeat

    http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-seek-ways-limit-obamacare-fallout-florida-defeat-051221357.html

    Three words: Sink, sank, sunk

    • Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on March 16, 2014 at 8:00 am

      “Dems seek ways to limit Obamacare fallout”
      From a recent article that interviews Dem leader Nancy Pelosi, I would surmise that step one is “deny there is a problem”. :)

    • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 18, 2014 at 12:44 pm

      Here’s another!
      This Dem says that _losing_ in FL is a sign of Dem strength!
      http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/03/11/wasserman-schultz-says-dem-loss-in-special-election-shows-gop-weakness/

      After reporting all the stuff Wasserman-Schultz said, the reporter noted this “President Obama carried the 13th District in both 2008 and 2012.” and quotes a guy who says “most nonpartisan handicappers and analysts have for years expected this seat to go Democratic when it became open”

    • Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on March 19, 2014 at 6:21 am

      WaPo writers try to buck up Dems from their gloom.
      http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304017604579447401454765672?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion&mg=reno64-wsj
      Take the Senate. Please.
      Of late the Washington Post’s liberal blogger Greg Sargent has been working overtime to reassure Democrats that their political straits are nowhere near as dire as everyone has been saying. … now he’s brought in a guest blogger, Paul Waldman, to offer a different kind of reassurance, in a post titled “Why Taking Over the Senate May Not Do Republicans Much Good.”

  2. Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on March 16, 2014 at 8:07 am

    We have a problem with too many gov’t workers in this country. Also with pay and benefits that have gotten out of control. One resource to note is PensionTsunami.com, which has discussed this issue for a long time.

    For years and in some cases decades politicians have traded long term public commitments of tax dollars to get short term support from public employee unions. The bills are coming due. Most of the worse problems take place in Blue states and Blue cities of course.

    Here are 2 recent articles re-posted from the prev thread that indicate the seriousness of what political leaders are facing.

    Dem mayor of San Jose CA notices that poor and middle class people are being taxed to pay big bucks so that city employees get retirement benefits way above what the taxpayers themselves have.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/in-san-jose-generous-pensions-for-city-workers-come-at-expense-of-nearly-all-else/2014/02/25/3526cd28-9be7-11e3-ad71-e03637a299c0_story.html?hpid=z3
    “Here in the wealthy heart of Silicon Valley, the roads are pocked with potholes, the libraries are closed three days a week and a slew of city recreation centers have been handed over to nonprofit groups. Taxes have gone up even as city services are in decline”

    Dem mayor of Chicago, IL looks at the numbers.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/12/Chicago-Mayor-Warns-of-Doubled-Property-Taxes-to-Fund-Spiraling-Pension-Costs
    “The shortfall to the pensions amounts to $7,100 per Chicago resident. … if something else isn’t done, Mayor Emanuel is warning that he’ll have to double property taxes to fund the payment.

  3. Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on March 16, 2014 at 8:09 am

    Another blog which covers this issue on a regular basis has this recent discussion.
    http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/03/vallejo-heads-for-another-bankruptcy_15.html
    On May 6, 2008, the Vallejo City Council voted 7-0 to file for Chapter 9 bankruptcy. At the time it was the largest city in California to do so.
    In March of 2009 I noted “Judge Rules Vallejo Can Void Union Contracts.”

    Vallejo foolishly refused to do so, and I predicted it would soon be back in bankruptcy over the same reason it went bankrupt in the first place: absurd union wages and even more absurd pension promises.

    Sure enough, here we go again.

  4. Jake on March 17, 2014 at 8:23 am

    Oh boo-friggin’-hoo, government workers have it too good. That’s what happens when labor laws are followed and workers aren’t treated like shit. Redirect some of that anger and hatred to the private sector and maybe this country’s labor practices might move out of the 19th century.

    • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 17, 2014 at 8:43 am

      You should go read up about the latest “free election” in auto plants.
      Volkswagen and the unions wanted a “yes” vote but the workers themselves chose otherwise.
      An interesting bit of data that goes right over your head, doesn’t it?

      And forget about “boo hoo” for gov’t workers. Focus on where you are going to live after Mayor Rahm doubles property taxes and you have to move out of your parents’ basement.

  5. jackie blue on March 17, 2014 at 8:45 am

    I’d rather redirect most of that money to the private sector so that maybe this country’s economy can move out of the permanent recession.

    BO? 1979 called–it wants its economy back.

    • Wilson on March 17, 2014 at 3:15 pm

      “I’d rather redirect most of that money to the private sector so that maybe this country’s economy can move out of the permanent recession.”

      Nice idea, but it won’t work.

      “1979 called–it wants its economy back.”

      And what came after 1979? Reagan, who was the absolute KING of deficit spending. The GOP will always, always avert coming to grips with that FACT.

      If the goal were small government, it would be best to pay decent salaries, with decent benefits, in order to attract good people to the jobs. Then you give a small government the best chance to succeed. If you want small government, with small salaries, then you have to admit that your goal is to drown government in a bathtub, and the Anarchy that comes with it.

  6. Jackie on March 17, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Often the highest paid state employee is the head football coach at a university.

    • Wilson on March 17, 2014 at 3:08 pm

      “Often the highest paid state employee is the head football coach at a university.”

      I agree with you there, let’s eliminate professional sports at the college level.

  7. Ken_phd on March 17, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Jackie:

    “Often the highest paid state employee is the head football coach at a university.”

    Head football coaches usually get fired if they don’t produce.

    • Wilson on March 17, 2014 at 3:39 pm

      “Head football coaches usually get fired if they don’t produce.”

      And another one is hired at the same high salary, kicking the can down the road.

      • Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on March 17, 2014 at 7:09 pm

        Sure, I think we can all agree that spending big bucks on college coaches is bad.
        Also, that colleges ought to go back to amateur athletics. I mean, c’mon, is the purpose of college (esp tax payer supported education) to serve as a farm team for pro sports?

        But to me a key question: can we agree that this is a side issue for our states and cities? That this is perhaps not the big-ticket item which will make a difference in our lives, and our childrens’ futures?
        To me, it is a far bigger deal the low and middle income people are being taxed to provide a standard of living for gov’t workers higher than their own. And this taxation, it is becoming clear, is so poorly spent that city services deteriorate as the pay and bennies for gov’t workers go up.

        • Ken_phd on March 18, 2014 at 8:23 am

          Jim:

          Well said. The average salaries are certainly an eye opener

          I lived in San Diego a few years ago. They are just now coming to grips with the cost of their pension agreements. It’s really an impossible situation. The union supporters want to force the city to issue billions of dollars in bonds to support the pension agreements. “The city must keep its promises”. This is on top of the already exorbitant salaries. Unless the public unions negotiate some type of compromise. bankruptcy is the only option.

          • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 18, 2014 at 9:24 am

            Yeah, that was the stunning thing to me, too.
            These are the _average_ salaries.
            Holy cow. A bunch of them are making more than that. And as you note, this city is far from being an outlier. The quote from Chicago mayor Emanuel is stunning. How are citizens supposed to cope with their property taxes doubling? While at the same time, city services actually deteriorate.

            Here in CA, we passed another liberal feel-good Proposition in the last election to “fund schools”. Lots of the money has been diverted to shore up gov’t employee pay and pensions which are nonethless still in the danger zone.

          • M.Webster on March 18, 2014 at 9:57 pm

            Yeah, that San Diego pension fund is/was a nightmare. The Republicans, Susan Golding, etc, stole from it beginning about 20 years ago, to fund a bunch of lark projects including the Republican National Convention. Now the fund is destitute.

          • Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on March 19, 2014 at 6:34 am

            I don’t know the specifics of San Diego gov’t worker pensions. Maybe you have a valid point or maybe you are full of bull.

            But the big players in this problem for the one-party state of CA ALL come from the Dem party.
            Not only did Dems overpay and give overly generous benefits over a long period of time, not only did they fail to fund those commitments, but they also did really stupid things like run the pension funds with “socially responsible” investing so that the funds’ investments gave a far poorer performance than they should have. Bill Lockyer was the guy who started that parade though other Dems have continued the practice.

          • Ken_phd on March 19, 2014 at 7:28 am

            Jim:

            “though other Dems have continued the practice.”

            It’s not nice to argue with a self anointed “research scientist”. He’s liable to throw a AGW hissy fit:-)

          • M.Webster on March 19, 2014 at 9:36 am

            I don’t know the specifics of San Diego gov’t worker pensions. Maybe you have a valid point

            Google Susan Golding and the San Diego pension scandal.

            It’s not nice to argue with a self anointed “research scientist”. He’s liable to throw a AGW hissy fit:-)

            Huh? Try again, you whiffed that time.

          • Ken_phd on March 19, 2014 at 10:12 am

            Pluto:

            “Huh? Try again,”

            woof. woof.

          • M.Webster on March 19, 2014 at 3:58 pm

            Another swing and a miss. Strike two.

  8. Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on March 17, 2014 at 6:55 pm
  9. Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on March 19, 2014 at 6:37 am

    http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/201093-greens-pressure-obama-to-reject-expansion-of-natural-gas-exports
    Commenter: “Putin smiles”
    I’ve read that green groups are funded by Saudis and by Russians since the groups pressure Western gov’ts to avoid policies which would lead to energy independence.

  10. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 19, 2014 at 7:43 am

    People with 2 brain cells to rub together saw this coming way back but … here’s confirmation.
    They didn’t get the signups they expected. They require the new policies to cover unneeded and unwanted stuff. The people who signed up are older/sicker than the average citizen. The gov’t has promised to make up for any losses the insurers encounter (google “risk corridors”). And, the government can’t even track what’s going on because the websites are still not completed and still not working correctly.
    http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/03/obamacare-premiums-to-skyrocket/
    Health industry officials say ObamaCare-related premiums will double in some parts of the country, countering claims recently made by the administration. … [Earlier] (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius [had said] rates would increase in 2015 but grow more slowly than in the past.
    Her comment baffled insurance officials, who said it runs counter to the industry’s consensus about next year.
    “…. I think everybody knows that the way the exchange has rolled out … is going to lead to higher costs,” said one senior insurance executive who requested anonymity.

  11. Ken_phd on March 19, 2014 at 10:08 am

    Jim:

    “The gov’t has promised to make up for any losses the insurers encounter”

    More entitlements and higher taxes. It’s the Obama legacy. He is so proud.

  12. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 19, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    re: San Diego pension scandal
    My first take in reading about it is tthere appear to be plenty of Dem fingerprints at the scene of the crime along with the Repubs.
    Note that we are not even talking about much bigger scandals for CaoPERS and other state-level programs that were pretty much 100% mismanaged by Dems.

    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/Jan/17/pension-scandal-blame-alvarez-faulconer/
    Alvarez, a Democrat, laid the blame on [Repubs and their supporters] Faulconer, a Republican, blamed [Dems and their supporters].
    They each got half the story correct while also applying a healthy dose of selective amnesia when it came to the role their own financial backers played in one of the darkest chapters in San Diego’s political history.
    The truth is the pension scandal was a unique collaboration between labor, business, Democrats and Republicans to mortgage the city’s future to meet short-term obligations.

  13. Ilene Uelicht on March 19, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    History will decide if “Obamacare” is a success or not. Come back in fifty years.

    • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 19, 2014 at 2:29 pm

      I’d guess we have a 50% chance that a result will be known in a much smaller time range.
      Much smaller.

    • Ken_phd on March 20, 2014 at 8:20 am

      Pluto:

      “Come back in fifty years.”

      Excellent!

      • M.Webster on March 20, 2014 at 7:51 pm

        Ken appears to think that all of the liberal posters are named Pluto and, inanely, have anointed themselves as research scientists. I can’t speak for Ilene Uelicht, but my guess is that is strike three, you are out.

        Thanks for playing, Ken, grab a Ted Cruz bobble-head doll on your way out.

        • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 21, 2014 at 12:13 am

          Really?
          In this case I also was assuming that “I lean, you licked” was our mentally damaged troll “Pluto”.

          AIA to Ms Uelicht if I am wrongly assuming.

  14. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 20, 2014 at 7:26 am

    Getting close to the end of the sign-up period.
    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-03-18/young-invincibles-are-killing-obamacare
    As the clock ticks down to the end of open enrollment for health coverage, one thing is becoming clearer: what the final demographics will look like. Demographics matter a lot because they will help determine whether the health insurance market goes into a death spiral (or requires hefty federal subsidies to keep it from doing so). Young healthy people, and a lot of them, are needed to keep the market stable and premiums low.

    As we head into the final few weeks, we have a pretty good idea of how many young healthy people there will be, and the answer is: a whole lot fewer than the health-care wonks were expecting.

  15. Ken_phd on March 20, 2014 at 8:03 am

    Jim:

    “As we head into the final few weeks, we have a pretty good idea of how many young healthy people there will be, and the answer is: a whole lot fewer than the health-care wonks were expecting.”

    I expect the % number of young people to go down as more of them realize they can do so without any penalty.

    • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 20, 2014 at 9:37 am

      Or, if they are timid about not having health insurance at all, just stay on their parents’ policy till age 26.

  16. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 21, 2014 at 12:32 am

    What happens when you go off the Climate Reservation.
    Interesting comments section.
    http://judithcurry.com/2014/03/20/nate-silvers-538-inconvenient-statistics/

  17. Mike Webster on March 21, 2014 at 4:26 am

    “What happens when you go off the Climate Reservation.”

    I don’t know if Nate Silver was on some sort of “Climate Reservation”, he is known for crunching polling data, but Roger Pielke, Jr. sure had his ass handed to him. The megaphone drew a debunking drubbing.

    • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 21, 2014 at 5:24 am

      Actually, no,
      Pielke triggered a howling mob who were long on ad hom and short on facts.

      • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 21, 2014 at 8:34 am

        btw, I draw your attention to this line from the post.
        Curry: “as recently as 5 years ago, I never thought I’d live to see the day when I am very grateful that I have tenure at a university”

        and this from the comments, keep this in mind when someone claims the “science is settled” or “all the scientists agree”
        ‘I am very grateful that I have tenure’ “Think what it is like for the post-Doc’s and tenure-track climate scientists”

        • M. Webster on March 21, 2014 at 8:18 pm

          “someone claims the “science is settled””

          Straw man.

          “Curry: “as recently as 5 years ago, I never thought I’d live to see the day when I am very grateful that I have tenure at a university””

          Are you saying that Curry is being persecuted? Or, is she being “audited”?

      • M. Webster on March 21, 2014 at 8:16 pm

        “Pielke triggered a howling mob”

        He was taken down, he was “audited”. If you wish to call that a howling mob, have at it.

        “long on ad hom”

        That description could be applied to Curry’s attacks.

        “Short on facts”

        Pielke was short on facts, and he was taken down.

        • Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on March 22, 2014 at 8:59 am

          No, that’s wrong.
          He used facts to disagree with the predictions of climate models and people who disagree started frothing and foaming.

          • The Trolls on March 23, 2014 at 12:16 am

            He used facts…

            Uh, no, he made assumptions which agreed with his intention to disagree. He was called on it, with facts, and now the right wing is in a tizzy because their hands were slapped.

            started frothing and foaming.

            Your fluffy propaganda, nothing of the sort happened. See above.

          • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 23, 2014 at 12:20 am

            Weak. And wrong.

          • R.C.L. on March 30, 2014 at 6:22 pm

            Nate Silver apologized for Pielke’s aggressive emails of the past week.

            Nate Silver states that he will commission a rebuttal to Pielke’s article.

            It will be interesting to see how Jim in Mtn View comments on the commissioned rebuttal.

    • Ken_phd on March 21, 2014 at 7:47 am

      Pluto:

      “The megaphone drew a debunking drubbing.”

      LOL!

      The “research scientist” speaks! This sentence wouldn’t get you past a GED exam. What next? You received a Nobel prize for literature?

      • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 21, 2014 at 8:27 am

        Probably would win, too.
        After all, Putin is a nominee for the Peace Prize so clearly the Committees are not exactly on solid ground.

      • M. Webster on March 21, 2014 at 8:23 pm

        “The “research scientist” speaks! This sentence wouldn’t get you past a GED exam. What next? You received a Nobel prize for literature?”

        Huh? That makes no sense.

  18. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 21, 2014 at 10:18 am

    Change coming to IL?
    As the famous quip goes: “Chicago, the city where dead Republicans vote for live Democrats”
    http://www.the-american-interest.com/blog/2014/03/20/will-illinois-get-its-scott-walker/
    llinois’s public employee unions are bracing for a fight they’re not going to like…Illinois is in bad shape. … The state is a nation-wide leader in job losses. Its pension system is underfunded by about $100 billion. Its largest city Chicago, the current murder capital of the U.S., is incurring credit downgrades at the rate of a banana republic, while many of its schools are closing and its population is in rapid decline.”

    • jackie blue on March 22, 2014 at 10:30 am

      I expect Chicago to be the next Detroit.

      • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 25, 2014 at 11:56 am

        Me too.
        Except maybe “Chicago, among others, will be the next Detroit.”

  19. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on March 21, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Change probably not coming to PA.
    http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/17/democrat-attorney-general-shuts-down-cor
    http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/21/pennsylvania-attorney-general-kane-lawyers-up/
    The decision of Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane to drop the investigation and potential prosecution of Philadelphia Democrats who were recorded accepting cash, money orders, or jewelry certainly seems suspicious. According to news reports, investigators collected over 400 hours of audio and video of five Democrats, including four state lawmakers, before Kane, also a Democrat, secretly killed the investigation last fall. When confronted with this troubling story by the Philadelphia Inquirer, Kane cited racism and mismanagement in the investigation, but the detailed descriptions of the recordings certainly seem to indicate that the payments were made.

    Kane’s reaction to reports about her decision went from bad to worse. At first, she complained that white men were attacking her. . . .

    But Kane, apparently frustrated by continuing scrutiny of her decision, has now escalated further, hiring counsel and suggesting that if the Inquirer continues to pursue the story, she would start suing people!

  20. reaganesque on March 21, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Hey Ken, Jim…Hope you guys are well. Certainly doing much better than this website itself is doing :-/

    Looks like it’s just you two and that liberal troll moron who keeps switching names are holding down the fort.

    As usual, you guys are on top of your game. I wish you had a larger audience. Keep up the good work. Just wanted to say hello.

    R

    • Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on March 21, 2014 at 9:15 pm

      thanks!
      and thanks for stopping by.

  21. The Trolls on March 22, 2014 at 3:05 am

    As usual, you guys are on top of your game.

    BWAHAHAHAHA! THAT is hilarious. You can’t parody the right wing nutters, it is no longer possible.

    But, which one is on top in their game, ken or jim?

    I wish you had a larger audience.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Their audience is one or two trolls, and reaganesque.

    Keep up the good work, ken and jim!

  22. jackie blue on March 22, 2014 at 4:52 am

    I think they are doing an excellent job as well.

    Particularly at humiliating and ignoring the troll.

    • The Trolls on March 23, 2014 at 12:09 am

      Particularly at humiliating…

      In your own mind.

      …and ignoring the troll.

      Ken can’t ignore the trolls. Why? Because he is obsessed with some former poster named “Pluto”.

  23. Ken_phd on March 22, 2014 at 6:10 am

    Pluto:

    “BWAHAHAHAHA!”

    Juvenile response.

    • The Trolls on March 23, 2014 at 12:10 am

      ^Weak.

      • Budahmon on March 23, 2014 at 6:06 pm

        weaker….

        • The Trolls on March 23, 2014 at 9:01 pm

          Ah, the trolls thought that Budahmon was one of the smarter and more observant of the conservative posters – he was an exception to the rule. He even almost got it on climate topics, so close. The trolls thought that he was all right, and he had a great avatar too.

  24. Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on March 22, 2014 at 8:53 am

    Much as it pains me to admit, Trolls is correct on this one.
    Ken, remember what the ReThugLican OverLords promised us if we did a good job?
    “Trolls with IQ above room temp”, right?

    Look what we have, and draw your conclusions….

    • The Trolls on March 23, 2014 at 12:18 am

      Much as it pains me to admit, Trolls is correct on this one.

      I am always correct. Your spin isn’t correct, but, my statements are always correct.

      Ken? Not so much:

      “Cain will crush Obama.”

  25. Ken_phd on March 23, 2014 at 10:57 am

    Pluto”

    “I am always correct.”

    woof. woof.

    • The Trolls on March 23, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      ^That mangling won’t get you past the GED exam, tiger. And, I am correct again, see above: “Ken can’t ignore the trolls. Why? Because he is obsessed with some former poster named “Pluto”.”

  26. jackie blue on March 23, 2014 at 5:35 pm

    Ken is correct, again.

    Benign neglect is to internet trolls as light is to vampires.

    • The Ace was a moron on March 23, 2014 at 6:05 pm

      jackie blue = sock puppet

      The local right wing nutters launch into tizzies about posters switching names…and then switch names themselves.

      They slink off in a huff, during one of the countless implosions of Polipundit…then slink back with a new name.

      You can’t parody this website, it is not possible.

  27. Saganista on March 23, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    Pluto has never recovered from being reclassified as a dwarf penis.

    • JD in HWC on March 23, 2014 at 8:21 pm

      Saganista = Mad Dog = Moron

      Speaking of sock puppets, hello Mad Dog!

  28. reaganesque on March 24, 2014 at 7:25 am

    There is no debating with the troll. Facts are meaningless to him/her. Conservatives use history and facts to lead to truth. Leftists ignore history, facts and truth because their ideology cannot accommodate them. So, all that is left is for the leftist to demean, slander, and ridicule.

    Your resident troll, though, basically has an audience of one. Himself/herself. Probably couldn’t cut it over at DU.

    • Some name goes here on March 24, 2014 at 5:16 pm

      “demean, slander, and ridicule.”

      Say, like every post you have made on this thread?

      Can you see that you are only attacking, and providing nothing in the way of, “history and facts, leading to truth”?

      You do realize that every page in the trolls’ playbook was taken from conservative posters on this website?

      “Your resident troll, though, basically has an audience of one. Himself/herself.”

      Well, plus you, and jackie and jim and ken, and all the others that attack, attack, attack, and refuse to engage in debate.

      Witness the comment from the poster “debbie” on the thread above:

      “Single payer, truly universal healthcare is the way to go.”

      The reply? “Move to Cuba” and “arf. arf”.

      The vitriol from the right, always entertaining.

      • reaganesque on March 25, 2014 at 12:40 pm

        Troll,

        In my days on this site, I gave you PLENTY of facts. You get facts DAILY from Ken and Jim. Are you trying to say that their posts are not an effort at “debate?” Honestly? Come on sir/madam. You yet again expose yourself for the amateur that you are.

        As for the “move to Cuba” stuff…I see that’s a touchy subject for you. However, this is the ONE place on earth that we HAD constitutional protections, and freedom. You and your weeny friends want to make this country like every other.

        My question to you is simply…WHY? Where on earth has there been more freedom, more prosperity, more generosity…more opportunity…than in this country? WHY would you want to change that and make us like Cuba?

        So, in that light, yes. Move to Cuba. Everything you want is there.

        • Some name goes here on March 31, 2014 at 4:35 pm

          In my days on this site, I gave you PLENTY of facts.

          More precisely, you gave right wing interpretations of events.

          You get facts DAILY from Ken and Jim.

          More precisely, I receive right wing interpretations of events.

          Are you trying to say that their posts are not an effort at “debate?”

          Jim is willing to honestly debate. Ken, uh, no.

          You yet again expose yourself for the amateur that you are.

          Weak attempt at character assassination.

          I see that’s a touchy subject for you.

          Not really.

          You and your weeny friends want to make this country like every other.

          No. I wish to make this country great, like no other country. “Weeny” friends is more silliness.

          WHY would you want to change that and make us like Cuba?

          Again, that is your straw man, and it is very weak.

          Move to Cuba. Everything you want is there.

          Downright silly. That said, I would like to get a bottle of real Cuban rum, and some day visit Pilar, Hemmingway’s fishing boat. Otherwise, Cuba is nothing more than your straw man.

  29. jackie blue on March 24, 2014 at 8:30 am

    Sorry, no. I do know a troll when I smell one, however.

    You are no different than ones I’ve seen elsewhere on other sites, except your ego is bigger and you’re not as bright.

    I hope Ken keeps hammering you.

    • Some name goes here on March 24, 2014 at 5:18 pm

      What name did you used to post under here, jackie blue, before you left?

      Can you tell us?

      • reaganesque on March 26, 2014 at 12:08 pm

        Hey. Just a quick question. Between you and me.

        You aren’t suggesting that I post under different names like you do, are you? Just saying; because I have posted under ONE name on this site.

        • Some name goes here on March 31, 2014 at 4:39 pm

          Why are you answering a post directed at jackie blue?

          But, to respond to your question, you take offense at sock puppets and pseudonyms, but you ignore the fact that the practice is rampant, and was initiated by the right wing posters on this website. That double standard is entertaining to the “trolls”.

  30. reaganesque on March 24, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Jackie,

    What you smell is the same idiot who has been trolling this site for many moons. The only growth he/she has exibited is the increasing number of names he/she/it rolls out. Again, probably a castaway from DU or Kos.

    If you present enough factual and logical arguments to a normal person, his/her head would explode. But troll? He/she/it is not normal. It’s an unfortunate thing that in trolling this site, he/she/it only has a handful of people to display the stupid.

    Hang in there long enough, though, and he/she/it will call you a racist. Then you know you’ve beaten him/her/it.

    R

  31. Some name goes here on March 24, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    If you present enough factual and logical arguments…

    There’s the rub, on this website only the trolls present factual and logical arguments.

    the increasing number of names he/she/it rolls out.

    The trolls borrowed the locals’ trick, there. Witness this very thread. Double standard, not that you will admit it.

    Hang in there long enough, though, and he/she/it will call you a racist.

    You do realize that YOU just pulled the race card. You do realize that, don’t you?

    display the stupid

    That is why this website is always interesting, hold a fact up to your eyes, and you call it stupid. Always fascinating.

    • reaganesque on March 25, 2014 at 12:42 pm

      Troll,

      You probably forget that it’s YOU who called me a racist when you couldn’t find any way to debate me back in the day. Grow up, man/lady. Seriously.

      • Some name goes here on March 26, 2014 at 4:55 pm

        “You probably forget that it’s YOU who called me a racist when you couldn’t find any way to debate me back in the day. ”

        Really? If so then you could describe the event.

        But, since it never happened…you can’t.

    • reaganesque on March 25, 2014 at 12:44 pm

      Oh, and when you actually present a fact, let us know.

      • Some name goes here on March 26, 2014 at 4:56 pm

        Like your “fact” that the left purposefully wishes to destroy health care?

        Problem though, you have zero evidence to support your “fact”.

        And so…it is fiction.

  32. Some name goes here on March 24, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    So, all that is left is for the leftist to demean, slander, and ridicule.

    Yet, you skipped right by this comment from one of yours:

    “Pluto has never recovered from being reclassified as a dwarf penis.”

    You are incapable of commenting on that, and so, your tunnel vision is telling, reaganesque.

    • reaganesque on March 25, 2014 at 12:43 pm

      I don’t speak for everyone here. But I describe your nonsense perfectly. Sorry if you don’t like it.

      • Some name goes here on March 25, 2014 at 11:29 pm

        “Sorry if you don’t like it.”

        No need to apologize for your purposeful misstatements.

        “But I describe your facts perfectly.”

        Fixed that for you.

        • reaganesque on March 26, 2014 at 11:55 am

          Like I said, sir/madam…

          If/when you actually present a fact, I guess we can debate it. But you don’t. Many of your posts are filled with uppercase letters (i.e. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH), and other such untelligible nonsense.

          But you keep it up. Sad thing is that there’s only about 10 people that read your lunacy.

          • Some name goes here on March 26, 2014 at 5:07 pm

            “Many of your posts are filled with uppercase letters (i.e. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH), and other such untelligible nonsense.”

            Like I said above, all of the “lunacy” is simply pages taken from your side’s playbook, to highlight the double standard. “BWAHAHAHA” was used countless times by posters on your side, yet you never, ever called them out.

  33. jackie blue on March 24, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    I thought that was the most amusing post in weeks.

    • sock puppets galore on March 24, 2014 at 10:37 pm

      What name did you used to post under, jackie blue, before you changed your name?

  34. Ken_phd on March 25, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Pluto:

    “What name did you used to post under, Pluto, before you changed your name?”

    woof.

  35. Some name goes here on March 25, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    “What name did you used to post under, Pluto, before you changed your name?”

    Hold that thought, along your double standard and your obsession with Pluto, and when Pluto returns, remember to ask him.

    In the meantime, what does “phd” stand for?

    • Some name goes here on March 25, 2014 at 11:34 pm

      Should be: “…along with your double standard…”

      • Ken_phd on March 26, 2014 at 6:51 am

        Pluto

        “Should be”

        Mistakes happen.

        woof. woof.

        • Some name goes here on March 26, 2014 at 4:57 pm

          Weak.

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