Conversation with my mom

October 24, 2013

Here in Washington state, the state-run Obamacare health insurance exchange will actually allow you to sign up for an insurance plan. But that doesn’t change the fundamental problems with Obamacare, including a one-size-fits-all approach to insurance.

So I had to have the following conversation with my mom:

Me: Mom, you know how you pay $319 a month for your health insurance? With a $10,000 deductible?
Mom: Yeah…
Me: Well, starting January 1st, you won’t be able to do that anymore. Your plan is going away. The closest plan to that is a “Bronze” plan, with a $557 premium per month, and a $6,350 deductible. So your premiums are going up by about $250 per month.
Mom: But why? I don’t buy my insurance from the government! I buy it from a private company! How can Obama tell me what I can buy??

Indeed. I told her to ask her friends, who’d been touting Obama in 2012.

62 Responses to Conversation with my mom

  1. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 24, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Here is a list of counties, the plans available and their costs.
    Only states in the federal exchange are listed, not states which have their own exchange. See what you would pay if you get tossed onto OCare.

    • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 24, 2013 at 8:04 am

      I have not had time to scan the data, but econ writer Karl Denninger has an overview.
      A couple of snips below.

      “First, if you’re “27”, the average premium is $266.20/month or $3,194.40 per year”

      “The “average” 50 year old premium, again, for single coverage, is $452.87, or $5,434.44/year.”

      “… these premiums are for non-smokers (smoker premiums are grossly surcharged with reports being 2x the above) and they do not account for anyone other than one person…. if you’re a couple it’s $647.86 (again, $7,774 annually.) … the CPI index claims that health insurance is 0.656% of the family budget. What percentage of couples make $1.185 million a year?”

      Note: For lefties who came up through the public school system, if you divide $7,774 by 0.656% (0.00656) you get $1.185 million. 🙂
      Obviously, the average income of couples is not $1.185M, but that gives you an idea of just how much more OCare policies cost compared to the existing policies that people have today. Because today’s policies consume 0.656%.
      Remember the promise “if you like your coverage, you can keep it”? See the article in the thread one post back–300,000 Floridians had their existing policies cancelled due to OCare.

  2. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 24, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    NY Times says that ObamaCare disproportionately hurts the poor and rural citizens.

    I’ve read that before: seems like OCare is kinda-sorta OK for upper class people.
    Went and found the reference, it was a blog comments. Well, see if this sounds plausible:

    “With regard to the ACA roll out, one of the things that is striking to me is how different the new insurance enrollees who receive press coverage seem than the majority of uninsured patients with whom I deal as a physician. In general, those highlighted in the press seem well-educated, self-motivated, and well-organized rather than living the very difficult, impoverished, chaotic, and marginalized lives that many of my uninsured patients need to navigate. Perhaps this just reflects PR spin or journalistic biases toward individuals who are more like themselves, but I don’t think so.

    Rather, my impression is that the website (when functional) will serve the needs of people like my neighbor, who is the graduate of an elite business school and who struggled to find insurance in the 18 months he was unemployed after selling his company. However, I just can’t see a lot of my patients having the wherewithal to go online, navigate the long and confusing process, and ultimately sign up and pay for a plan that costs “only” a few hundred dollars per month. Healthier uninsured individuals in whom health issues and costs aren’t in the first tier of their daily challenges seem even less likely to do so.

    In short, I suspect that the website and the ACA enrollment plan in general were designed by individuals without a good feel for the needs of the people they intended to serve. Rather it was designed for people fundamentally like themselves (educated, upper middle class) who lack health insurance but [don’t] lack for much else. Even when the website is fixed, this will be a huge problem.”

  3. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 24, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    The MSM has not even started to consider the effects on doctor/patient privacy and the
    security of health records once the gov’t starts to control the medical industry. Most likely,
    they won’t take on their peeps in the Dem Party.

    But anyone following the NSA story or the IRS scandal is pretty aware of the brewing trouble.
    Along those lines, here is another Internet security/privacy company which is shutting down
    because gov’t pressure means they can’t deliver to their customers.
    “Remember Lavabit and Silent Circle, the encrypted email providers that closed their doors because they faced government pressure to enable government snooping on their customers (Silent Circle still offers other privacy services)? Well, you can add CryptoSeal to the mix. The company has ended its CryptoSeal Privacy virtual private network (VPN) service (it still offers enterprise-lever services), which was advertised as “keeps prying eyes off of your internet usage while you’re at home, in a coffee shop or even another country,” also over concerns about the legal environment and government snooping.”

  4. JD in HWC on October 24, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Poli, take a hint, Jim wants blog privileges.

    • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 24, 2013 at 3:32 pm

      Actually, no. Happy with being a commenter 🙂

      Are you one of the sock puppets? Still would like to get an update on those ranchers.

  5. Master Po on October 24, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Ah, grasshopper, you seek the sock puppet, to receive an update on ranchers.

    It is not Jake whom you seek, nor JD in HWC.

    Good luck in your quest, young master Jim.

  6. I AM on October 24, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Jim try not to get too excited about not actually losing a debate for the first time in your life. The likely reason you haven’t got a response is that the other person got banned.

    Are you posting from Mt. Rushmore? 😀

    • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 25, 2013 at 6:39 am

      Sock Puppet, you still stand by this?
      “your party’s shutdown really hit those ranchers hard in their efforts to get help.”

      • The Trolls on October 25, 2013 at 11:59 am

        Jim. Jim! Are you paying attention? Stop running around asking everyone about South Dakota. By my count there are at least three “trolls” who currently post on this website, and make you rightwingnutjobs look like Bug’s marooooons. The poster, “I AM”, was not the one who made a fool of you regarding South Dakota. Nor was, “Jake”. Here is your only clue: the poster, “Ursus maritimus” knows the answer, ask him on the next global warming thread.

        • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 25, 2013 at 12:47 pm

          So you still stand by it?

  7. Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on October 24, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    See if you can spot the trend. Obamacare requires that your insurance plan must include drug counseling and well baby care and so on whether or not you need that coverage.
    1) Florida
    Former Congressman West notes the many Floridians have been tossed off their insurance plans due to OCare.
    “Florida Blue, formerly known as Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida, just announced around 300,000 Floridians will get dumped off their insurance plans because those plans don’t comply with Obamacare – that’s 80 percent of its current individual policies. So much for “if you like your plan you can keep it.””

    2) California
    “Kaiser Permanente, is terminating policies for 160,000 people in California and presenting them with new plans that comply with the healthcare law.
    “Before I had a plan that had a $1,500 deductible,” she said. “I paid $199 dollars a month. The most similar plan that I would have available to me would be $278 a month. My deductible would be $6,500 dollars, and all of my care after that point would only be covered 70 percent.””

  8. Roman Castevet on October 24, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Tell Mom to get a job with a big company not participating. Problem solved.

    • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on October 25, 2013 at 2:03 am

      Ah, remember way back to when the unemployment rate was below 5%?
      You’re making me want to google “miss me yet?”

  9. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on October 25, 2013 at 1:41 am
  10. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 25, 2013 at 3:50 pm
    I remember the day Obamacare became law. I was sitting in the hospital working in the anesthesia department part-time to cover the costs of tuition. Dr. Alfery, a mentor of mine, looked over at me and said, “Run– It’s not too late to change majors.”

    • Anil on January 3, 2014 at 4:40 pm

      On October 3, thirty high scohol students from Mount Si’s Key Club visited the homes of two elderly folks in North Bend. Armed with gloves, garden tools, and determination ..they set out to offer assistance to these homeowners where the labor had simply become too big an obstacle. The students split and stacked firewood, trimmed overgrown bushes and hedges, brought garden beds back to objects of beauty, raked leaves, and filled an enormous trailer with discarded and rotting lumber that was taken to the dump. The best part of this endeavor was the smiles and hugs given by the homeowners to these high scohol Key Clubbers. That so many showed up at their homes to Pay it Forward was overwhelming and one of the most heart-warming experiences I have seen. Way to go Mount Si Key Club!

  11. Ken_phd on October 25, 2013 at 8:38 pm


    I see you have the Sock puppets on the run with you postings on Obamacare. I expect the horror stories will only get worse with time.

    Expect the trolls to change names and topics frequently.

    • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on October 26, 2013 at 12:48 pm

      Heh. 🙂
      Not that I AM is going to let pesky little facts get in his way.

      • The Trolls on October 26, 2013 at 1:30 pm

        Listen to you two.

        • Eliseo on January 3, 2014 at 2:20 pm

          Doug, if you think for a moment that the leefits in the crowd will allow any of the conservatives to speak uninterrupted, then you are sadly mistaken.In a match between those who are civil and those who aren’t, the sad truth is the bottom denominator will always win out. We can not compete in a forum like this because we will not sink to the same denigration they do.

  12. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on October 26, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Death panels–people are noticing.
    WALTER HUDSON: The Twisted Morality of “Death Panels:” Breaking down Slate’s rationalization for letting government pick who lives and who dies. I’m just amused at how quickly after the implementation of ObamaCare the whole “death panel” thing was transformed from a paranoid fantasy of that yokel, Sarah Palin, to an obviously good idea that all thinking people support.

    The Hudson article is here.

  13. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on October 27, 2013 at 3:39 am

    A bit more on Canadian firm who was hired to do ObamaCare.

    CGI is not a creative free spirit from Jersey City with an impressive mastery of Twitter, but a Canadian corporate behemoth. Indeed, CGI is so Canadian their name is French: Conseillers en Gestion et Informatique. Their most famous government project was for the Canadian Firearms Registry. The registry was estimated to cost in total $119 million, which would be offset by $117 million in fees. That’s a net cost of $2 million. Instead, by 2004 the CBC (Canada’s PBS) was reporting costs of some $2 billion — or a thousand times more expensive.

    Yeah, yeah, I know, we’ve all had bathroom remodelers like that. But in this case the database had to register some 7 million long guns belonging to some two-and-a-half to three million Canadians. That works out to almost $300 per gun — or somewhat higher than the original estimate for processing a firearm registration of $4.60. Of those $300 gun registrations, Canada’s auditor general reported to parliament that much of the information was either duplicated or wrong in respect to basic information such as names and addresses.

    Sound familiar?

    Also, there was a 1-800 number, but it wasn’t any use.

    Sound familiar?

    So it was decided that the sclerotic database needed to be improved.

    Sound familiar?

    But it proved impossible to “improve” CFIS (the Canadian Firearms Information System). So CGI was hired to create an entirely new CFIS II, which would operate alongside CFIS I until the old system could be scrapped. CFIS II was supposed to go operational on January 9, 2003, but the January date got postponed to June, and 2003 to 2004, and $81 million was thrown at it before a new Conservative government scrapped the fiasco in 2007.

    • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on October 27, 2013 at 6:48 am

      The article has more on CGIs failed government healthcare project…who hired these guys and why?

    • Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on October 27, 2013 at 8:20 am

      There’s an interesting sentence or two about HIPAA.
      Apparently medical privacy laws are not applied to Lefties argue that it is just a pass through of your info to insurance companies. Your name, address and birthdate, etc, are not medical info. Righties are (IMO justifiably) concerned about government getting medical info and using it for political purposes, so they are actively looking for dangers and demanding that the govt explain every detail.
      It seems clear that is not currently HIPAA compliant. Whether it needs to be is an open issue.

  14. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on October 27, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Looks like they’ve come up with a plan to fix Obama’s web site. Heh.

  15. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on October 27, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Ouch. Remember “if you like your I insurance you can keep it”?
    Remember when Joe Wilson interrupted Obama’s healthcare speech saying; “You lie”? Looking back.. Wilson was right.

  16. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 29, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Not getting better so far….

    The proposal to extend the open enrollment period, which has been endorsed by 10 Democratic senators, is a reaction to the well-documented problems with in its opening month. With many people having trouble applying for insurance through the website, and the administration setting a Nov. 30 deadline for the site to be fully functional, the senators say people need more time to sign up for coverage. The enrollment period is scheduled to end March 31.

    The problem, according to the industry, is that an extended enrollment period could skew their calculations for 2015 premiums. Here’s why.

    Right now, insurers need to submit 2015 rates to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services between April 1 and April 30, 2014. If the enrollment period ends in March, as currently scheduled, insurers will know exactly what their customer base looks like as they make projections about their 2015 rates.

    But if people can still sign up after March 31, either while or after insurers are making those calculations, it creates a few problems. Here’s the big one: Most experts assume that young and healthy people — who are crucial to making the law’s finances work by offsetting the costs of sicker and older enrollees — are more likely to wait till the last possible moment or until they get sick to sign up for insurance.

    If that’s true and they can’t be accounted for when insurers are projecting their 2015 rates because of extended enrollment, that could lead to an older and sicker pool when those calculations for 2015 are being made. That would likely increase rates. And generally, the uncertainty about the pools could cause insurers to err on the side of caution.

  17. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 29, 2013 at 8:34 am

    And this.
    One big problem is that older insurance plans are “grandfathered in”. They can still be sold, however–
    1) they don’t meet federal standards, which looks bad
    2) any change, no matter how small, some little technical detail or co-pay amount, anything–means the plan has to be scrapped and can no longer be sold.
    That is causing LOTS of plans to be eliminated. New plans cost MUCH more because ObamaCare requires a lot coverage–often stuff people don’t need or don’t want.
    “Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.””

  18. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 29, 2013 at 8:37 am

    “The yawning gap between what the IT people knew and what everyone else seems to have realized is staggering. Now, I’ve worked on some projects in which the business units seemed to have some sort of selective deafness that only materialized when we tried to tell them that they couldn’t have their magic fairy computer system that did everything they could imagine, only better, in the three months they wanted it to take, or for the paltry sum that they were willing to spend. And I learned the hard way not to assume that the business units, or even the chief information officer, had heard and understood what you said. That is how I became gifted in the art of writing CYA memos when I was directed to do the unwise or the impossible. So I do have some sympathy for the IT folks.

    But I’ve never seen a gap this complete — one in which the entire IT organization seems to have been panicking about the impossibility of their task, and then the inevitable failures, while the folks issuing the orders were blithely issuing last-minute change orders and telling everyone they could find how swell this was all going to be.”

  19. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 29, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Who could have guessed?
    “…some of these racial preferences reflect a weird theory promoted by certain Obamacare architects: that the healthcare system should promote “racial concordance,” a fancy word for “pairing patients and doctors of the same race, a goal toward which the law channels taxpayer dollars.”
    The idea is that patients do better with doctors of the same race. But this motivation for using race conflicts with Supreme Court rulings”

  20. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 30, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Sebelius claims, on national TV, that the website has “never” crashed. The screen shot at the link would indicate that she is (how shall we delicately put it?) “misinformed”.

  21. reaganesque on October 30, 2013 at 10:31 am


    I think you chased all the trolls away. Facts hurt their feelings.

    I often wonder if leftists can even experience cognitive dissonance. There’s truth reason, and logic; and then there’s their world view that CANNOT be changed. Yet, I don’t think they ever get to the dissonance. They just ignore the reality.

    It’s astonishing.

    • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 30, 2013 at 12:28 pm

      Thanks, but in my opinion–“you da pit bull”!
      It’s been a bad week for lefties, but they’ll be back when they’ve licked their wounds a while.

      • Jake on October 30, 2013 at 1:22 pm

        This exchange is, without a doubt, the funniest shit I read all week. Though, it’s only Wednesday.

        • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on October 31, 2013 at 8:05 am

          We try to put on a good show at Poli’s Place 🙂
          Glad you’re liking it, try the veal special and don’t forget to tip the wait-staff.

    • The Trolls on October 30, 2013 at 2:09 pm

      I only read about one in ten of Jim’s posts, the vast majority of them remind me of that Fisher-Price popcorn popper toddler’s push toy, ideas endlessly pinging against the sides of the nutter bubble.

      The dynamic duo of Jim and reaganesque might succeed in chasing away trolls, who seek to play chess but only get the inanity of 52 card pickup.

      I will note the rare bird above, a link (the website, TPM) to something other than a right wing loudspeaker.

      • reaganesque on October 31, 2013 at 11:42 am

        See, troll? you just admitted it. You don’t even read the facts. You aren’t interested in them.

        Yes, real chess player you are, champ. What an intellect. Wow. You must really be proud.

        There’s only one reason trolls leave. They can’t hang in the argument. Otherwise the hate just flows so naturally…almost gracefully, in a scary and very disturbing way.

  22. reaganesque on October 30, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Thanks Jim…

    Yes, they’ll be back. They can’t help themselves. Plus, it’s hard to hang out at Kos for too long. They eat their young over there.

    • The Trolls on October 30, 2013 at 3:06 pm

      Kos, what a silly right wing meme.

      Speaking of cannibalism, Polipundit has had how many meltdowns? Bannings, right wing posters storming off in a hissy fit, then returning with a new name. Hilarious stuff, you can’t parody the right wing.

      • reaganesque on October 30, 2013 at 3:25 pm

        Hey Troll! Welcome back!

        But, be honest…you know you love Kos. Come on…It is entertaining, after all…right? You can say it. You’re among friends. We’re almost as “nice” as those tolerant/open-minded/kind/compassionate/caring/tolerant/tolerant/compassionate folks over at Kos.

        Can’t speak to the rest of your, uh, points…as I haven’t been around that long. Guess we’ll have to see what happens. You leftists, lately though, have been really tripping all over yourselves.

        Meanwhile, I did notice you seem to disappear when facts start being discussed. How come?

        • The Trolls on October 30, 2013 at 6:22 pm

          I don’t read Kos, never have; the Kos meme is yours to embrace only.

          I haven’t noticed you or Jim discussing facts, and so your narrative is flawed.

          You two are the only ones left, for the most part, so keep those pumps going or the water is going to flood your carefully constructed world.

          • Big Gubmint Shill on October 30, 2013 at 9:54 pm

            We Won! Government of the government, for the government, by the government, now just shut up!

          • Ken_phd on October 31, 2013 at 8:59 am

            The Trolls:

            “You two are the only ones left, for the most part,…”


          • reaganesque on October 31, 2013 at 11:37 am

            Troll (god? Jake? Robert T? who are you tough guy?),

            There are plenty of facts that have been presented to you. I mean, Jim is a fact machine. If anything, his only flaw is that his posts aren’t short enough to keep up with your miniscule attention span. But that’s not his fault, is it, genius?

            There are many facts that you(rselves? god? Jake? etc.?)just continue to ignore. Not our fault that you can’t processs facts that don’t fit into your worldview.

            Oddly, I STILL haven’t seen many facts from you. Where are all these mysterious “facts” you keep telling us about?

          • The Trolls on October 31, 2013 at 11:51 am

            Yeah, kenny pulled the “projection” card!

          • The Trolls on October 31, 2013 at 11:52 am

            reagnesque, facts and jim have never met.

          • reaganesque on October 31, 2013 at 11:53 am

            The level of your intellectual incompetence is stunning.

            Keep it up. Every word makes it more obvious…

          • reaganesque on November 1, 2013 at 10:07 am

            “I only read about one in ten of Jim’s posts” – Troll

            “reagnesque, facts and jim have never met” – Troll

            Now, there’s cognitive dissonance for you. Troll, If you don’t read Jim’s posts, how can you know about the lack of facts? Answer: You can’t.

            But thank you for yet again proclaiming troll ignorance of anything intellectual proclivity.

            Keep rockin’!!! You’re sellin’ yourself, brah/sister!

  23. Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA on October 31, 2013 at 6:19 am
    White House exerting ‘massive pressure’ on insurance companies to keep quiet
    The White House is pressuring insurance companies not to speak publicly about Obama administration policies that could eliminate the existing health insurance plans of millions of Americans.
    Prior to the Obamacare rollout, insurance companies issued warnings to the White House about the possibility of mass cancellations, which the administration ignored.
    Although the mass cancelations are an embarrassment to insurance companies, they are more concerned about losing their biggest customer — the federal government.

    “Executives are willing to listen to the White House, because right now, it’s the government that’s the biggest customers of these insurance companies,” Griffin said. “Government-backed plans accounted for about 48 percent of healthcare policies last year

  24. Big Gubmint Shill on October 31, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    We have just about everyone’s balls in the vice or on the dole. Just shut up!

  25. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on November 1, 2013 at 5:33 am

    Info starting to come out. CBS News reports how many sign ups from the first day.
    “… no one in the administration has been willing to tell us how many policies have been purchased, and this may be the reason: CBS News has learned enrollments got off to an incredibly slow start.
    Early enrollment figures are contained in notes from twice-a-day “war room” meetings convened within the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services after the website failed on Oct. 1. They were turned over in response to a document request from the House Oversight Committee.
    The website launched on a Tuesday. Publicly, the government said there were 4.7 million unique visits in the first 24 hours. But at a meeting Wednesday morning, the war room notes say “six enrollments have occurred so far.””

  26. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on November 1, 2013 at 5:34 am

    “The health care exchanges need to average 39,000 enrollees a day to meet the goal of seven million by March 1. “

  27. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on November 1, 2013 at 5:38 am

    The “tech surge” to fix ObamaCare has hired a contractor with a poor record for keeping data secure.

    A contractor heavily involved in repairing was previously criticized for endangering the personal data of more than 6 million government beneficiaries through insufficient security controls.

    Lax data safety at Quality Software Services, Inc. (QSSI) was deemed a “high” risk in a June probe by federal investigators that revealed the company had failed to stop its employees from connecting unauthorized USB devices to highly sensitive Medicare systems.

    The June report by the Health and Human Services (HHS) inspector general revealed that QSSI’s inaction allowed workers to connect unsanctioned devices such as iPods to 29 out of the 30 workstations studied, all of which had access to millions of Medicare patients’ personal data.

    The unhindered access to USB ports raised the possibility that workers could have introduced malware to Medicare’s systems or “inappropriately accessed” personally identifiable details, the report stated.

    • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on November 1, 2013 at 8:58 am

      Why am I not surprised: QSSI is a big donor to the Obama campaign.
      Liberalism in a nutshell. Completely screw something up, then appoint yourself to fix it.
      Anthony Welters, a top campaign bundler for Obama and frequent White House guest, is the executive vice president of UnitedHealth Group, which owns the software company now at the center of the ObamaCare Web-site fiasco.
      UnitedHealth Group subsidiary Quality Software Services Inc. (QSSI), which built the data hub for the ObamaCare system, has been named the new general contractor in charge of repairing the glitch-plagued
      Welters and his wife, Beatrice, have shoveled piles of cash into Obama’s campaign coffers and ­apparently reaped the rewards.
      Beatrice Welters bundled donations totaling between $200,000 and $500,000 for Obama’s campaign during the 2008 election ­cycle, according to campaign- ­finance data compiled by Center for Responsive Politics.

      • reaganesque on November 1, 2013 at 10:08 am

        Decided to post this again at the bottom, so Troll will see it.

        “I only read about one in ten of Jim’s posts” – Troll

        “reagnesque, facts and jim have never met” – Troll

        Now, there’s cognitive dissonance for you. Troll, If you don’t read Jim’s posts, how can you know about any lack of facts? Answer: You can’t.

        But thank you for yet again proclaiming troll ignorance of anything intellectual proclivity.

        Keep rockin’!!! You’re sellin’ yourself, brah/sister!

        • reaganesque on November 1, 2013 at 10:09 am


          ANY intellectual proclivity. Sorry

        • The Trolls on November 2, 2013 at 6:06 pm

          “If you don’t read Jim’s posts, how can you know about any lack of facts?”

          That question is a perfect example of the inanity of the right wing nutter thought process. I said that I read 1 in 10 of Jim’s posts. Over time that is quite a number of posts, since he blathers on prolifically, and a sufficient volume of Jim’s clattering on the keyboard to come to the conclusion that facts and Jim never meet. But, reaganesque is quite pleased with himself, dancing a merry little jig and loudly proclaiming that I don’t read ANY of Jim’s posts, and thereby evidence of “cognitive dissonance” and lack of “intellectual proclivity”.

          You can’t parody conservatives such as reaganesque, it is not possible.

          • reaganesque on November 11, 2013 at 11:12 am

            But, dude/madam,

            That’s NOT what I said. I repeated your own words to you, then said I don’t know how, based on your own comments, that you could have insight into ANY lack of facts.

            Son/person. READ things. K?

  28. Big Gubmint Shill on November 1, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Shame is not my forté

  29. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on November 2, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Check back from time to time….

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