Great (immigrant) minds think alike

November 10, 2012

Ask any conservative immigrant, and he’ll give you something like my End of America rant, more in sorrow than anger. Here’s British immigrant Charles C. W. Cooke’s version:

I quite earnestly believe in all of the stuff that I’m not supposed to. I believe that America is exceptional; that it is an objectively better nation than any other that has ever existed; and that it is, as it was explicitly designed always to be, the last, best hope for mankind. As Winthrop’s sermon poetically put it, America is the “Shining City upon a Hill,” there so that men without liberty have somewhere to turn and a light that they might follow. I followed that light — 3,500 miles from my friends and my family — because I believed that my life would be better here, because I wanted to be free, and because I felt that under American liberty I would be able to be myself more honestly and more fully. There is nowhere else I could have gone.

Alas, there is nothing written in the stars that says that America will always be America. “Rome,” as Joseph Heller brutally reminded us, “was destroyed, Greece was destroyed, Persia was destroyed, Spain was destroyed. All great countries are destroyed. Why not yours? How much longer do you really think your own country will last? Forever? Keep in mind that the earth itself is destined to be destroyed by the sun in 25 million years or so.” There will be little virtue in America if it becomes a larger version of Britain, but with free speech and the right to bear arms.

On Tuesday, America took another giant leap away both from its revolutionary mission and from the classical liberalism that it has successfully incubated for so long. This is a rotten thing for America, and also — though it might not realize it — for the world; for, like Anthony Blanche, Evelyn Waugh’s “aesthete par excellence,” should the United States descend into the mire, it will “take something away with it.” If America ceases to be America, it will “[lock] a door and hang the key on a chain.” And then? “All [its] friends, among whom [it] had always been a stranger,” will realize they need it. I know I do.

29 Responses to Great (immigrant) minds think alike

  1. artist on November 10, 2012 at 12:34 pm
  2. Vinnie on November 10, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Plymouth Colony experimented with socialism for several years and the people nearly starved to death. Apparently, we have to go through this again. Please do not give up. There is a God, and what we are about to go through was unavoidable. If you look at the improbable rise of a person who is a skilled politician and also the worst president in my lifetime, the media running interference for his re-election, the storm that may have tipped the scales, the supermajority in the Senate that passed the health care bill without a Republican vote and even required some backroom beatdowns of Democrats. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court with a Brain Fart that allowed it to stay alive. Mitt Romney ran a great campaign and still lost. These events are individually unlikely, but together, they have to be the result of some kind of predestination. Plymouth Colony turned it around, and so will we. God has too much invested in America to let it join the European scrap heap in a permanent sense.

  3. Steel Turman on November 10, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    If history is any guide …

    … the next step is all-consuming war.

    And that is a war we might just lose.

  4. Setnaffa on November 10, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Vinnie, we have a couple things in our favor and a lot against us.

    Read 2 Chronicles 7:14. That might apply to us. Or not. A lot of folks deny the USA is a Christian nation.

    Read Psalm 14 and Romans 1:18-32. “We” made fools of ourselves and God is allowing us enough rope to hang ourselves.

    All we can do is read the Bible, pray, and try to persuade others to get right with Him.

  5. koblog on November 10, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    The books of history and prophecy in the Old Testament tell the very depressing story of corrupt and evil kings one after another leading the people into war and slavery.

    Ultimately, it became a cry of, “We have no king but Caesar!”

    Solomon, nominated as the wisest man ever to live before Obama, taxed his people so onerously to support his extravagant lifestyle and to build great gilded halls that when Solomon’s 41-year old son Rehoboam — the very next generation — attempted to extend his father’s tax policy after taking the advise of his young Harvard buddies/economic advisers, there was a civil war that divided and weakened the nation for centuries. (1 Kings Ch. 12)

    War does always to be the outcome of evil leadership….

    • koblog on November 10, 2012 at 5:21 pm

      And Jeroboam, son of Nebat, who led the rebellion, was even worse.

      Today we have Jerobama, who revels in the murder of countless unborn children sacrificed on the altar of convenience/Baal, and who promotes all kinds of sin.

      And something else happened, too: 1 Kings 14:24 — “And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the Lord cast our before the children of Israel.”

      Israel was in possession of the land because the previous occupants had forfeited it because of their abominable personal lifestyles.

      There truly is nothing new under the sun.

  6. Budahmon on November 10, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    We will be a third world nation in 10 years maybe less. There is no going back. I’m of the opinion that you just let it sink into the mire, but can I really leave this country like that to my kids…hell no I can’t. So the only alternative left to me…is to fight. Brietbart may have been right that you can use pop culture and the rules of radicals against the government and institutions that have foisted this crap on us.

    1. They want tax increases, the Republicans should start off by removing the income tas deduction for your home. I know it will hurt a lot of conservatives, but think of the pain in the Blue States. You want to see Chuck Schumer cry…this will do it…You want Babara Mikulski whimpering in the corner..this will do it.
    2. Next restore the 20% excise tax on motion picture theater gross revenues that existed between the end of World War II and its repeal in the mid-1950s (HT Instapundit). Barbara Boxer will just love the adoration flowing out of Hollywood on this one issue.
    3. Remove the 35% tax break for municipal bonds. Reduce it to 15%. Yes it will impact cities, towns and states that use bonds, but then should they really have borrowed the money in the first place. Impact on Blue states would be interesting to say the least. Obama has already proposed dropping it from 35% to 28% so he should not mind if it went to 15%. Warren Buffet would be a slavering mad man over this one change.
    4. Remove the union deduction that will bring in $25 Million a year.
    5. Assess Royalties from entertainment not only as income but remove the passivity. In other words tax them for Social Security and Medicare up to the current limit. You cant imagine whom would be whining then. That is roughly a 15% increae in their tax rate.

    That’s just a few ideas. The Conservatives should go after Dem donors and the people that continue to fund them through tax laws. This can be couched in just going after those rich guys…..

  7. Budahmon on November 10, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    I forgot one….Tax for downloading music. Yep…15% should be just about right for a download from Itunes…

    • Anonymous Paulbot on November 16, 2012 at 9:27 pm

      Yeah, that’ll be a good one to tweak the noses of the paulbot fools who love to embrace liberalism and all of its sick twisted forms!!

  8. Mad Dog on November 10, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    I think the real reason we lost the election is evident in the comments of the last couple of days

    Instead of actually doing work to win we prayed. Instead of dealing with the reality of dealing with behind in the polls we prayed and made up excuses for how the polls were wrong. Instead of coming up with new ideas on how to fix problems we blamed Obama.

    Most of all what I have garnered from reading the comments over the last couple of days I have to say the biggest issue with the GOP is far to many of the supporters of the party are stupider than a pile of Dog poop.

    • David on November 11, 2012 at 1:16 am

      You have it backwards.

      The best of the GOP worked hard, in addition to their prayers. They dug deep and donated huge amounts of money and time in addition to their prayers. The best of the GOP made calls, knocked on doors and tried to persuade others to save the nation from fiscal ruin – again, in addition to their prayers.

      The worst of the GOP complained, made excuses and then just sat back and did virtually nothing (not even offering up some simple prayers) while others, those who often pray, got stuck with all the heavy lifting.

      The “stupider” ones, as you put it, were the worst of the GOP — and you know who you are. At some level, you know you didn’t pull your own weight, and so how are you any differen’t from the “lazy liberals” that you complain about all the time?

      You’re not. You probably are just more comfortable with your own laziness as you sit around and complain about people who pray, while ignoring the fact that they worked a lot harder and sacrificed more than you probably did.

      • Mad Dog on November 11, 2012 at 4:08 am

        This all goes back to the group hallucination reality bubble the GOP created and has been living in. The “fiscal ruin” was created by the GOP and the DEMS have been digging us out of the hole we created. We need to stop whining about it and help them dig the nation out of the hole. If things keep going this way we’ll never win another election because no one will trust us not to destroy the economy.

        If the worst are the ones who complained and did nothing that is easily the majority.

        The GOP needs to learn the lesson of Copernicus.

        Like the Real Universe does not circle around earth because the bible said it did, our Political Universe does not revolve around us. And just as the Real Universe is governed by the laws of Math and Physics, our Political Universe is governed by laws that are found outside the bible.

        If the GOP doesn’t get out of the bubble the DEMS will be set to do real damage at the next midterms. It’s time to get real and get to work to help improve things instead of whining, blaming, being the party of no.

        We should have learned that money isn’t more important than rational thought. That a lie repeated often enough doesn’t replace fact.

        • Troll Alert on November 11, 2012 at 11:03 pm

          The GOP ’caused’ the fiscal ruin??? You mean like the housing market meltdown started by Carter and then had gasoline thrown onto the fire by Clinton’s repeal of Glass/Steagal? Or, do you mean all the unsustainable entitlement welfare programs and open borders policy of Democrats, which allow the entire country to be invaded by entitlement sucking foreigners who’ve killed the job market?

          And, the Dems are ‘digging us out’??? How? By jacking up the debt to 17, going on 20+ Trillion? Or, by even more unsustainable entitlements? Or, by cutting off domestic energy sources? Or, by over taxing our job-creating small businesses? Or, by crushing the job-creators under oppressive overregulations??

          You’re an idiot troll with the babbling & ranting insight of Jokeleaf.

          Stop using mad-dog’s handle, troll, and take your delusional leftist talking points back to HuffPo where your brand of marxist idiocy belongs. Moron.

          • Mad Dog on November 12, 2012 at 4:18 am

            Interesting mix of Bravo Sierra and truths. This is the sort of mix of truth and facts that led to the defeat of the GOP in the national election. It also shows how the GOP just doesn’t get modern economics any more and has no idea what to do to fix the problems it has created. The GOP has gone anti science, anti honesty, anti truth, anti math and I won’t back them anymore. I’m tired of hitching my wagon to the party of losers and liars who only appear to care about big money.

            I’m not going to get into the detail but anyway you try to spin it Bush came in to office on a surplus and left with the nation in the worst trouble since the great depression. The last 2 elections have proven people don’t trust the GOP. If the GOP won’t even accept the fact they fucked things up big time why would anyone trust them not to repeat the same errors? At least under President Obama the economy has been coming back. The stock market has almost doubled, employment has been coming down, the auto industry has been coming back, banks stayed open etc etc etc…

            BTW Mad Dog always gets the last word always. 🙂

          • Budahmon on November 12, 2012 at 5:45 am

            Yep…the Republicans who controlled both Houses of Congress and the White House caused this fiscal mess…..oops you say the Dems controlled both Houses of Congress for two years prior to this problem. That can’t be so…The Dems are the party of modern economics and have all the ideas on what to do to fix the problems Bush created. The Dems are the Party that is pro-science (Global warming), honesty (Libya), truth (Green Energy Crony Captilism)), math (Stimulus Bill was on Bush’s watch along with all of TARP, but they want all the credit) and finally they care about us (look at those great unemployment #s). They would not have let this country sink into financial mire for political gain would they….They are just so damn smart they would never allow that.

            The Democrat Party…you can trust them they will get this country moving again. After all the Stock Market as come back fueled by QE. Oh BTW….You are absolutely going to love your new Chinese built Chevy….

          • Mad Dog on November 12, 2012 at 9:52 am

            Does that BS go down easy with the kool-aid? Did you write in Ron Paul on your ballot?

          • Jay on November 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm

            Speaking of morons, has anyone checked to see if The Ace’s head exploded? Sucks to be him, he had a complete meltdown in 2008, started lashing out at Oak Leaf, like one of the unhinged. Things got better for him in 2010, talking trash and his usual blowhard brash. But now he probably needs a shoulder for a good cry.

          • Budahmon on November 12, 2012 at 7:08 pm

            Ahhh…another Paulistinian raises his ugly head. Another maroon!!

          • Anonymous Paulbot on November 16, 2012 at 9:31 pm

            That “Maddog” is not the real “Maddog”.

            just a lame FOOL who stole his name to promote his sick, twisted propaganda. Here’s a newsflash – FUCK YOU FAKE MAD DOG and take all your leftist propaganda and shove it your your MOM’s ass you disgusing prick. Again, I say FUCK YOU you leftist piece of shit!!! …Seriously, just FUCK YOU and the liberal horse you rode in on — you dumbfuck liberal asshole!!

  9. artist on November 11, 2012 at 6:16 am
  10. artist on November 11, 2012 at 6:28 am

    “NYTimes (ok, consider the source) is reporting Boehner told the caucus he will cave on the fiscal cliff.”

    H/T Wethal

  11. Herman on November 11, 2012 at 7:34 am


    You & the country got through 12 years of FDR (4 more with Truman), and ObamaCare ain’t no Social Security, & Obama ain’t no Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

    Quit your crying, and next time don’t try to foist upon the nation an arrogant, deceitful, insincere predatory capitalist.

    • IP727 on November 12, 2012 at 9:16 am

      no, he’s a nikoli lenin

    • Goonions on November 13, 2012 at 6:39 am

      There is money to be made when the predatory capitalist is in charge. When the entitlement king is in charge all suffer and the well eventually runs dry. That is a fact and you will see it happen. You got a better idea?

  12. artist on November 11, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Herman on November 11, 2012 at 7:34 am


  13. Dan on November 11, 2012 at 9:06 am

    WIsconsin somehow had 525,000 more voters than voted during the June recalls. Turnout for that was 70 plus %,so it makes me wonder. Thankfully,we will have Voter ID in 2013 it appears.

  14. Knighthawk on November 11, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Hey artist, I’m still around, just lurking mainly.

    • Anonymous Paulbot on November 16, 2012 at 9:25 pm

      Yeah, still around being an atheist fool who joins up with the ron paul cult of fools who are on their way to destroying the entire nation. Yeah, you’re in good company Knighthawk, you ignorant paulbot embracing fool.