Selecting your electorate

November 8, 2012

Or how to legally suppress voters.

Obama faced a very serious problem last November, he was deeply underwater with voters many of whom had voted for him in 2008. If the voting electorate in 2012 was largely made up of those who voted in 2008 he was going to lose. He needed an electorate that mirrored the 2008 distribution of Democrats and minorities if he was to win. So he and his campaign crafted a huge gamble and bet everything on being able to select who would vote in 2012. He succeeded and won by legally suppressing the low turnout voters who would vote against him. This has the side benefit that it protects vulnerable Senate seats as well. Give the Obama campaign its due. It was a brilliant, if desperate, move which was executed perfectly. This is also the reason, in addition to the impact of Sandy on NY and NJ, that voter turnout plummeted. The Republicans never saw it coming. They were busy winning the election of 2008 or maybe 2004, while Obama out flanked them.

During the spring Obama spent $15 million “polling” the swing states. Republicans assumed that a great deal of this was push polling and voter identification. In part it probably was, but it also meant that low turnout voters were subjected to intense polling quite early. Then the campaign spent the much trumpeted $200 million on negative ads in the swings to “kill” Romney. For well documented reasons the Romney campaign was constrained from spending money to answer those ads. Even if they could have responded it wouldn’t have mattered, in fact it might have worked to aid Obama, because the goal of all of this besides making Romney toxic was to get the angry frustrated low turn out voter to stop listening. By the time that the conventions were held and the debates, a large chunk of these voters, who the Republicans were counting on, had washed their hands of the entire process. They didn’t like either of the candidates and were uninterested in voting for either of them. They didn’t watch the conventions, they never saw the empty chair, and they never watched a debate. They had also stopped participating in any polling and had largely dropped beneath the radar.

During this period the Obama campaign also focused all of its GOTV efforts in the swing states. Few if any resources were used in red states or in blue states. Wonder why Obama could win, while leaving the house almost unchanged? Remember that the discussions about if the electorate was D+6 dozens of house seats should be in jeopardy? They weren’t because the vast majority of those seats were simply not attacked by the campaign and because the overall electorate was not favorable to the Democrats. Obama decided, correctly, that rather than drag voters to the polls in safe states, or contest difficult states, he’d simply let them take care of themselves. So turnout in Ca is down 1.2 million voters? He still wins. So the Republicans get a slightly bigger win in a few deep red southern states? Who cares?

The massive negative campaign in the swings hurt Obama too. Driving up his negatives and tuning out some of his voters. This is why he concentrated his GOTV efforts in those states. To get as many of his disaffected voters to the polls anyway. Remember the comments about how the Democrats were “being forced” to early vote their high turnout voters? The Republicans took this as a sign that the Democrats were having turnout problems, and they probably were, but the Obama campaign was operating to plan. Get as many your remaining voters as possible in early and bank on poorer turnout on election day by the Republicans.

The Republicans were counting on a “normal” turnout pattern where they would outperform on election day, as they had done historically. So their strategy was to “stay close” in early voting, and win it on Nov.6th. Unfortunately they incorrectly categorized their voters, and on election day a huge number of them were sufficiently disaffected that they never showed up. Yes Sandy helped Obama by stalling Romney’s momentum. The photo op with Christie helped Obama as well. Ohio and Fl and another couple of the swings were close enough that without Sandy, Romney might have squeaked by, but probably not.

According to Jay Cost 10 million white voters failed to show up. Sean Trende puts that number at 7 million. It will be weeks, and for some states months, before we get state by state quality voter demographics, and can measure exactly what happened. However, when 15 million voters fail to show up and the effect is nation wide you can be sure that something unusual has occurred.

None of this has any impact for the next two years. Through a brilliant strategy Obama has gained reelection. He will proceed with his agenda. He knows that he has no mandate, but he doesn’t care and the press will claim a mandate for him anyway. As he has said “elections have consequences” and he won.

This, assuming that further analysis proves the scenario correct, has grave implications for conservatives and Republicans moving forward from this loss. First it is important to understand that the nation has NOT shifted left. If anything the opposite is true. While we must deal with the debt and sequestration, we should understand that 66% of those who voted in the election do not want their taxes raised. This means that among the overall electorate, which includes nonvoters, that percentage is even higher. So while some compromise on taxes will surely be required, we must hold out for far more reductions in spending and effective tax reform with minimal tax rate increases. The left does NOT have a mandate for tax and spend.

Most importantly we must recognize that the country as a whole did not opt for socialism. We blew the election strategy and snatched a defeat in a year in which we should have walked away with a win. We must not lose heart. We must not become dispirited. We need to take a brief break and then reengage. 2014 is coming, and as the real impact of Obama policies are felt the electorate is going to shift further to the right. We also have to come up with a way to reach, engage, and motivate angry, frustrated, dispirited voters.

One more thing, while the Republicans (we?) blew this election, maybe we shouldn’t dump too much on them (ourselves?). After all, ask yourself this question. If I had told you in January that the Obama campaign had come up with a plan to make the angry anti-Obama voter work for them this year wouldn’t you have thought I was nuts? Hindsight is 20/20.

60 Responses to Selecting your electorate

  1. Arizona CJ on November 8, 2012 at 11:37 am

    One key thing I noticed this fall (and which I didn’t want to see, so I guess I was blind to it) was a major change since 2010: far fewer homemade anti-Obama car signs. Those were a common sight in my area in 2010, but not this fall.

    Another anecdote; I’ve heard from several people that Romney’s claims to get the budget CLOSE to balance in EIGHT years were profoundly “uninspiring” to people who care about fiscal sanity. I do recall cringing when he made that claim at one of the debates, so I can sympathize.

    My own very cynical take now is that even if that’s what he believed, he should have lied. Obviously (given Tuesday’s results) our system rewards liars, so might as well be one.

  2. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on November 8, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Some information and pushback on the claims of reduced Repub voter turnout. Looks like it is common for votes to continue to be tabulated after the election is decided.

  3. Nukedad on November 8, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    The main difference I see between conservatives and liberals is this: Liberals are far more likely to coalesce around a liberal candidate – regardless of whether they like all of his positions – than conservatives are. We threw away an opportunity to get rid of possibly the worst president in the history of this nation. Why? Because several million “conservatives” sniffed at Romney and found him to be not conservative enough. We need to understand that we are not going to “fix” the country in one election cycle. Democrats have been very patient and have been pushing this country to the left for 60+ years. They understand that every election is an opportunity to move the needle of government a couple of degrees to the right or left. Republicans need to start thinking strategically. If you’re conservative and stayed home – congratulations – you just helped it move to the left. I’ve even seen comments by Paul supporters on this blog indicating they tried to talk people out of voting for Romney. Way to go skippy, thanks for helping to re-elect Obama.

    Do I think Romney is a true conservative? No. Is he, at best, slightly right of center? Probably. Romney wasn’t my first, or even my second choice in the primary, but any idiot could see that he was a vast improvement over Obama. So I chose to vote and try to move the needle back to the right even if by a small degree.


    • bobo on November 8, 2012 at 3:01 pm

      This. And it will keep happening as long as dumb dumbs like unRino and his ilk keep cutting off their nose to spite their face.

      • Anonymous un-Paulbot on November 9, 2012 at 7:17 am

        True. The paulbot cult freaks voted for Obama. I personally know many paulbots who voted for Obama so it is the paulbots who are a big part of the problem. They’re not conservative; that’s just a mask they wear to pretend they’re something other than a bunch of flaming libturds

    • bc3b on November 8, 2012 at 6:52 pm

      Very true. Another problem is that the Democratic campaigns are operated by professionals who operate campaigns designed for the 21st century. They know how to get out the vote and will do anything they need do to win. There are no rules, except win by any means possible.

      Romney’s campaign was led by people like Kevin Madden and Mike Murphy and other GOP “strategists” who don’t want to get dirty and make sure that they don’t have any enemies after the election.

      The Republican Party needs a major shake up at the top – replace friends, family and “strategists” that have been providing bad advice for the past 20+ years and replace them with pros who will do what is necessary to win.

  4. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on November 8, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    By the way, very nice post Uncle Fred!

  5. nagohal on November 8, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Interesting. I think I’m reading again that Republicans should have run a more Conservative candidate.
    Obama’s vote count was down 9 million from 2008. Your theory is he threw away those votes in States he did not need those votes. My theory is those 9 Million were simply tired of Obama and understood that Obama did not perform as expected and lost enthusiasm for him.
    Romney’s turnout was 2 million short of McCain’s in 2008. The big questions are: How did Romney lose 2 Million voters? Why couldn’t Romney pick up some of those 9 Million?
    Had Romney motivated his base more he may have won. If Romney had forcefully campaigned as a reasonable Pro Life candidate and forcefully driven home Obama’s very extreme abortion position Romney would have picked up some of those disaffected Pro Life Democrat voters that voted for the Black man that was Going to Change Everything and stayed home this time because of his abject failure.

    • Gerry Owen on November 8, 2012 at 1:08 pm

      Seriously,WHY do so many hang their hat on an issue that is so FRIGGIN’ inconsequential to what a President, Senator, or US Representative does?

      Abortion is the law of the land. Roe v Wade was a supreme court decision, and will only be overturned by the Supreme Court- or would have been, possibly, if what you say is true and all the pro-life voters sat at home and basicly guaranteed liberal dominance of the Supreme court to the left for years to come.

      Do you really think Romney wouldn’t have appointed judges that aren’t for decreasing the role off the Federal Government?

      Too many on both sides of this issue are frankly ignorant.
      If Roe v Wade was (it would be miraculous, now) overturned, it would not stop an Abortion anywhere in the country.

      It would revert the issue and controlling authority back to the states.

      Then it would be a state by state battle.
      THe constituion DOES NOT give the Federal Govt any say on this- if you read the decision, it makes up a “right” out of thin air in the 14th Amendment, and totally discounts the express authorities granted in the 10th.

      So get off it-
      If you are suggesting Romney lost because the Pro-Life crowd stayed home, than you and the Pro-Life crowd are short sighted idiots who probably just lost the last chance to make headway on the Supreme Court over this issue in our lifetimes.

      • nagohal on November 8, 2012 at 1:52 pm

        Gerry, go back and read what I stated before you go off on me. What I said was if Romney had forcefully differentiated himself from Obama on the abortion issue he may have persuaded some of those disaffected Pro Life Democrat voters to come out of their comfy homes and vote for him. I’m discussing political tactics, not my position.
        Yes, some people make their decisions on issues like abortion. Yep, they do. I didn’t say I did.
        Fact is Obama has the most extreme pro abortion position there can be. If Romney had made that distinction we may have had a different outcome. There were a lot of voters out there sitting on their hands for some reason.
        For the record. I don’t think abortion should be a national issue at all. If a State wishes to make it a State issue then so be it. I personally would take a position that it should not be in the political arena at all.
        But that is water under the bridge now isn’t it?

        • Rational on November 8, 2012 at 3:43 pm

          If Romney acted more forcefully opposite to Obama, he might attract more socially conservative either republican or democrats, but he definitely would lose quite some independents. The net effect? Who knows.

          As advertising strong anti-abortion stance, that what these two promising republican senatorial candidates did. What did that get them? A resounding defeat! Plus, they very likely hurt Romney’s election as well.

          Can we admit that overall political environment just has changed? Not only abortion is legal, the general attitude towards it has also shifted.

          My guess is the percentage of population who hold strongly about anti-abortion is about 30%. If you count on these votes, you’ll never get anywhere.

          BTW, I don’t favor abortion, but I don’t think it should be the government’s role, whether it is on federal or state level, to judge or enforce. It should be between individuals and God.

          • Ron on November 8, 2012 at 8:16 pm

            But killing the unborn and born, in partial birth abortion, is between individuals as a Nation and God. I believe that God expects us, as a Nation, to choose our elected officials that would uphold the values that were established by our Constitution, which was inspired by God, giving us the right to life etc.
            I firmly believe we as a Nation will be held held accountable by God and will feel his rath.
            It is written that God is no respector of persons, which means when God brings about punishment, the good is punished equally with the bad.
            Final Judgement will be respectfull on an individual basis which will decide our final rewards or damnation.

    • Gerry Owen on November 8, 2012 at 1:29 pm

      Romney won both MO and IN, where the Senate Candidates tried the Santorum approach of out Pro-Lifing everyone in a 30 mile radius- and what did that get them?

      • nagohal on November 8, 2012 at 1:57 pm

        Gerry, Is their a problem with my statement or your comprehension? There were Pro Life Democrats that didn’t vote. Why didn’t Romney go fishing for them?

        • Ron on November 8, 2012 at 8:26 pm

          Probably because they were the fundemental right evangelicals who could not be preached to by a Morman.

          I’ve actually been told by Christians that there is no way they would vote for a Morman. Apparently they have no concept that by not voting for the Morman, they would be allowing a Muslim to become their President.

          • bobo on November 9, 2012 at 2:11 pm

            I admit I struggled with it for awhile as Mormonism is truly a non-christian cult but in all honesty it was an easy decision to vote for Mitt the person over the Marxist scumbag who won.

      • Paulo on December 30, 2012 at 12:54 pm

        Yet you are proud of what you have done. Kinda sad you would destroy a place where inrniestteg and free thoughts flowed and instead turned it into personal attacks and drivel.

    • Gerry Owen on November 8, 2012 at 6:43 pm

      if you look at the times on the posts, both mine were before your replies.
      If someone is definitively pro-life, they know. Where was the Pro-life advocacy groups? Why didn’t they run ads? Why didn’t they do outreach?

      Romney campaigned on the major issues and how his strengths matched up to them- which they did very well. The Dems are running a stupid “War on Women” demagogueing the whole abortion issue, which Akin and Mourdock (the poster dumbasses of this cycle) successfully made it poisonous for Romney to tread into.

      I have a real beef with the Evangelical block right now. Where were they? They pushed Bush over the top with Kerry in 2008. Why did they not come out in the same numbers?

      • Arizona CJ on November 8, 2012 at 7:47 pm

        This is just a local anecdote so it may not be indicative, but a local couple here (evangelical fundamentalist types)told me they hate that Obama won, but they couldn’t vote for Romney because of “the cult he’s part of”.

        I lost my temper at that.

        • Gerry Owen on November 8, 2012 at 9:56 pm

          Republicans brought certain groups into the tent, that didn’t feel they got stroked enough, so they stayed home- to the deteriment of not only the country in general, but there causes specifically.

          Pardon my french, but Fuck them.

          The coming losses on the Supreme Court renders them irrelevant anyway.

          I say this as an ardent pro-lifer, but the bullshit Evangelicals and the supposed Pro-Life Movement pulled this election guaranteed Roe v Wade for at leastthe next 30 years.

          Screw them. They are not a voting bloc to even consider. Their failure to report has rendered them irrelevant.

  6. nagohal on November 8, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Just one issue with your post. As the Liberals incrementally move the country to the Left, Republicans tend to move Left with them. The Republican Party is far more Liberal than they were 60 years ago. Whats wrong with pulling back to the Right instead of seceding the ground lost?
    This explains the increasing divide between the TEA Party and the Republicans. The TEA Party is not moving away from their Conservative principals and moving to the Left to keep up with the Republican leadership.

    • Ron on November 8, 2012 at 8:40 pm

      I totally agree. So where do we go from here?
      Our Nation has been divided into separate voting blocks who vote with their people.
      Since the white race is rapidly shrinking and dividing, they soon will have no voting power and will evenually have to act like the black and hispanic blocks and ban together in order to have any say at all.
      Face it folks as a white power base our days are numbered. The democratic party will soon be taken over by and controlled by these once minority blocks and the white politicians will be voted out. The white folk can then ban together (Dems and Repubs) to form another party. Survival is the name of the game.

  7. Setnaffa on November 8, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    “Arch-Conservative” Dubya was more liberal than Reagan. Reagan was more liberal than JFK. JFK couldn’t get elected dog-catcher by today’s Democrats…

    We’re in the toilet spinning counter-clockwise…

  8. johnmorrissey on November 8, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Our candidates are always men who would make great or at least good Presidents, but they are always concerned that they will appear rude or ungentlemanly.The Dems have no such concerns. Their candidates are amoral.They will say anything to win, and they don t mind smearing very decent people if that is what it takes.Romneys advisers must have told him that his primary objective was to come across as likable.He let O off the hook time after time, telling the world that O is a very good man , we just have differences in management abilities.He is not a very good man, he is a fraud who has flim flammed his way into peer and will do anything to preserve it.
    How many of the the O major screw ups did Romney bring up in the debates.Solyndra, Operation gun runner,cash for clunkers, the Ft Hood jihad murders, and finally Benghazi. O and his staff sit, watch and listen to Americans screaming for help as they are defending American territory and its ambassador and Romney and his campaign let them off the hook.Future candidates should be required to state that they will fight for their supporters who are counting on them as our chosen candidates to forget about collegiality and like ability and do th job we nominate them to do.

  9. The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 8, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    We’ve become a nation of Sheeple. Explains a lot today on how liberals are getting lected and why so called ‘conservatives’ put up with Neocon and RINO politicians.

  10. Mad Dog on November 8, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    It is my wish that everyone who voted for, or otherwise supported, Obama-Biden in 2012 be transported to the surface of the sun. Mad Dog says goodby.

    • Mad Dog's mom on November 8, 2012 at 4:20 pm

      Mad Dog, honey, you spelled goodbye wrong.

      You were always such a maroon.

  11. The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 8, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    • bobo on November 8, 2012 at 6:04 pm

      Nice Paulistani, Paul was not, is not and never will be anywhere near the Republican nominee for PotUS. He’s a fringe kook with nutjob followers filled with dellusions of persecution.

      • Anonymous un-Paulbot on November 9, 2012 at 7:25 am

        And the paulbot zombies are NOT conservative at all. Every paulbot I know, and yes I know several of them, ALL voted for Ogabe. Paulbots lie and pretend to be conservatives, but that’s just a mask to disguise what a bunch of flaming liberals they are. The fact is that the paulbot based turned out to either vote for Obama or against Romney. Either way, they’ve joined up with the libturd nutjobs and their delusions fit in perfectly with the ranting idiots of the left.

      • The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 9, 2012 at 8:50 am

        Keep poppin those Rockefeller types, bitches, and continue to lose elections!!

        • Troll Alert on November 12, 2012 at 2:06 am

          GFY, paulbot. your batshit crazy uncle pedoclown would have lost by Mondale proportions so take your laced paulbot koolaid and pump it up yer ass until the lights go out. You paulbot cultists freaks are even more delusional than the liberal marxists so GFY, you moron.

  12. Setnaffa on November 8, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    I’m not very sure I can do it; but here’s some good advice:

  13. MichAgain on November 8, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Get serious Fred. Romney lost because of many reasons.
    Inability to connect with regular people.
    No real plans for anything.
    Not disclosing his tax returns.
    Complete failure when touring other nations.
    2 crappy debate performances.
    The 47% comment.
    Picking an idiot to be his running mate.
    Spending tons of money in states he was going to win no matter what while not doing the same in swing states to name but a few.
    Oh and lets not forget just plain running a boring and horrible campaign until October.

    In many ways this election was a landslide victory for Obama. No way he should have won with unemployment where it is

    To call dampening enthusiasm for the other candidate voter “suppression” after the actual voter suppression campaign the Republican party has engaged in nation wide is positively Orwellian.

    • The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 8, 2012 at 3:45 pm

      not to mention the dirty tricks they pulled at the Convention to alienate the Grassroots. No surprise to me that Mitt lost.

      • bobo on November 8, 2012 at 6:06 pm

        Paulbots are not the grassroot, unless you mean they’re smoking grass somewhere in their mom’s basement while complaining about how the governement and the evil mainstream Republicans are all out to get them. Grow up.

    • unclefred on November 8, 2012 at 4:33 pm

      I am quite serious. You are free to pump out talking points. My post is not about positions or rhetoric. My post is about the process that the Obama campaign used to win this election. Landslide? Please, more or less 9 million fewer voters voted for him in 2012. Had he not poisoned the disaffected he would have lost.

      All that said, in a few months we’ll have complete demographic data. I will analyze that data, and if it proves my premise false I will report that here. Complete with the supporting data that shows how and why I was wrong.

      Spin this however you choose, but a 15 million voter drop off clearly undercuts any notion of a landslide.

    • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on November 8, 2012 at 4:54 pm

      Dear Troll MichAgain,
      “Energizer Holdings said on Thursday that it would cut more than 10% of its workforce, or about 1,500 people, as it tries to rev up results in its battery business.”
      Hope you are one of them. HAND, J,MV,Ca,USA

  14. Dan on November 8, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    When Obama exits this Earth I will be a happy man.

    • Mad Dog's mom on November 8, 2012 at 4:32 pm

      There’s the lie, the GOP is the Christian party…wishing ill on others.

      And you wonder why your Presidential candidates rarely garner the popular vote.

      • Dan on November 8, 2012 at 5:12 pm

        I wouldn’t be bragging about getting less votes than Bush did 8 years ago.
        Also,I do wish him ill,and all Obama voters too.

  15. Lyle on November 8, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    I think people need to take a step back and realize that Romney and Ryan were probably the worst candidates in generations. Rodney’s main plan was to repeal Obama care but he’s the one that thought it up. And when Romney finally started to build some momentum Ryan defected in fear at the VP debate. Not to mention Ann Romney that looked like she just stepped in dog poop every time someone asked her a question.

    In the end Obama won by not being Romney, yeah negative ads may have had something to do with it but Romney and co walked right into every trap the dems put out for them.

    • allie on November 8, 2012 at 5:21 pm

      Who would have been better? Ron Paul, give me a break. The democrats are the party of liars, cheats, crooks, thieves and thugs. It is very difficult for a decent person to run against these people. The democrats don’t want only to win, they want to destroy their opposition. The saddest thing about this is too many so-called republicans help them. In this election, Romney was at a distinct disadvantage, he is too decent. He has morals unlike the person who occupies the White House now.

      As for Romney Care in Ma. states have the right to try something like that. A state can easily change or repeal it but it is much harder if not impossible for the federal government to do the same. Simply put states have the right, the feds do not (in spite of John Roberts says with his pretzel reasoning).

      • Lyle on November 8, 2012 at 5:54 pm

        Santorum? Romney stood for nothing until it was poll tested and he through conservatism unde the bus in he first debate. This loss is on Romney not conserviitives.

        • Gerry Owen on November 8, 2012 at 10:02 pm

          Look, I was not a real fan of ANY in the primaries, Herman Cain was my personal Fave.

          Romney had the skill set, the vision, and the ideals to get this country on the right track.

          Problem is, we have have raised a generation and a half of people who view voting as a way to get stuff.

          Clinton started it with the “Peace Dividend”, Bush played into it with the “Prescription Drug Benefit”, and since we have sacrificed teaching our kids to the hard left, why wouldn’t they prefer Free rubbers and Abortions to a chance to live free and have a chance to succeed?

    • Gerry Owen on November 8, 2012 at 10:14 pm

      I took a step back, and reallly decided you are an idiot.
      Romney wanted Health Care issues to be resolved at the State level, and was proposing shifts that would enable that.
      Ryan held respectful own in the VP debate, which is what he needed to do because it is IMPOSSIBLE to win a debate on points against a guy who who just makes shit up as he goes and has no one who will call him out on it.

      Case in pont- lasrt go around, Biden waxed long and falsely about some wierd “US and France” driving terrorists out of Lebanon- mde it up out of whole cloth, sycophantic press never called him on it.

      An Romney would have been a great first lady- and since you are being a gutter dog piece of crap, I will suggest she doesn’t look like a Klingon like the current occupant of that position.
      As for you traps, You are actually partially right- Romney did not refute early enough the baseless bull tossed at him, but the dumbass twins of Akin and Mourdock revitalized and gave legs to the stupid fictitious “War on Women”.
      Now goaway, enjoy your free shit while you can, the money is fixing to run out.

  16. Mad Dog's mom on November 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Hello everyone.

    You lost because Obama was the smartest person in the room.

    And the most American.

    So get over it, and help America by stopping your lame “takers” and all the other excuses, and put in some elbow grease.

    There is no 47%, there are only Americans, so get over it and pitch in.

    Stop sitting on your hands with your thumbs up your asses.

    Emerge from your bunkers, stocked full of ammo and canned peas.

    It is morning in America…if you want it.

    • Gerry Owen on November 8, 2012 at 11:06 pm

      LOVE THIS!!!! I have never seen someone more worshipful of a false idol in my life!
      Hello everyone.

      “You lost because Obama was the smartest person in the room.”
      Really? Seriously? Who would you want in charge of the business that gives you your paycheck?
      Look, I admit I am not all knowing, but can you tell where the other 7 states are?

      “And the most American.”
      Huh? Not that it really matters, but BOTH Romney’s Parents were American, Obama’s half Brit (Kenya was a Britsish colony at the time his dad banged Mama Obama, before he split to go get his game on somewhere else).

      “So get over it, and help America by stopping your lame “takers” and all the other excuses, and put in some elbow grease.”

      Excuse Me? you sound concerned. You leeches and parasites want the producers and earners to WORK HARDER, “put in more elbow grease”?????
      LOL ROFLMAO. Oh. My. Freaking. God.
      Work harder to support you. You are a parasite. Too funny. Some encouragement. We are raising your taxes, we expect you to make life more comfortable for your employees, now GET TO IT!!
      I Know you won’t admit it, but I hope you see the fallacy in your dogma?

      “There is no 47%, there are only Americans, so get over it and pitch in.”

      Nope, you are right- it looks like it is 50%….AND THEY AREN’T Pitching in.
      Expect that number to rise- you will not believe how many people I have read, talked to,and blogged with that are reducing their workforces to come in under mandates or going Galt altogether. Fuck you and your fellow parasites. You have NO RIGHT to the fruits of my labor.
      I am always willing to pay taxes for essential features like defense, police, courts and jails- but the rest is fluff and negotiable.

      “Stop sitting on your hands with your thumbs up your asses.”

      Fuck off again. You honestly expect people to suddenly come off the sidelines and invest, risk their stake, take a shot with you and your pathetic ilk demanding that, “while you are going to give us jobs, we also expect all these goodies”. Not to mention Gummint gonna tax your profits (if you have any) more to buy OBAMA PHONES!! and other goodies for the idle.Seriously?

      “Emerge from your bunkers, stocked full of ammo and canned peas.”
      You are so freaking wrong.
      I HATE Peas.

      “It is morning in America…if you want it.”
      Twilight on the American Dream, on the Capitalist system that made this greatest country in the world.
      Morning on the New America! One where if you want from your neighbor, merely vote it from him!

      You dumbasses voted for Santa Claus. I Hate to break it to you, but Santa Claus isn’t real…….
      …..and you have just poisoned his reindeer……

      • MMM on November 9, 2012 at 4:33 am

        Uh, no, Obama is not my idol, and I do not worship him. He was, however, the smarter and better of the two candidates.

        Do you really think that Obama does not know how many states are in the USA? You are pulling the wool over your own eyes.

        I never asked for the fruits of your labor. You benefit greatly from the fruits of others’ labor, precisely why Galt was wrong.

        Your ideal will never be realized, not by Romney, not by any candidate. Your ideal will always disappoint you, because it is too far right fringe. Your ideal is real to you, because you live in the bubble of blogs like this one. The only reason that you refer to Galt is that you seek out blogs of such. If you go into Austin, listen to some great music, have some fine beer…you will not hear of Galt.

        Regarding bunkers and peas, I was referring to comments on this website.

        • Gerry Owen on November 9, 2012 at 5:44 am

          Your “smartest person in the room”
          doesn’t have a clue how economies work.
          …and yes, when you DEMAND business owners to jump through increasingly higher hoops- be it regulatory or taxation,
          you are taking the fruits of their labor.
          It has been getting harder and harder to set up a business, start a conmpany, live the American dream- and the entity making it increasingly difficult is Government.

          This was the greatest country in the world, it held the promise of allowing man to unleash his full potential and realize his dreams.
          And you dumbasses have finally killed it. Congrats!
          FYI- I live outside Austin, I go into there all the time- drink beer and laugh at hipsters. I know one Business owner who is not expanding because of the election, doesn’t see the point of taking the additional risk with the limited returns from new taxes, and one other who is firing 4 people today to get under the 50 employee mark.

          I actually think we need a flat rate tax for a while at the highest tax bracket-
          You scum whine theat the wealthy don’t understand, or aren’t on of us. Maybe everyone should pay the same rate, let the scum realize how bad they have been biting the hand that feeds them.

          I really am going to enjoy the coming collapse, I will do like Obama when the SEALs where getting waxed in Benghazi- sit inmy situation room and eat popcorn…

  17. Where memes are born on November 8, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    And the conservative blogosphere gives birth to new memes, immortal, they will live on:

    Obama was elected because the “takers” wanted free things.

    Obama “suppressed” the vote.

    Too funny, you can no longer parody the fringe right.

    Buried in the avalanche of spin is that Romney was…unelectable.

    • unclefred on November 8, 2012 at 5:41 pm

      You are free to spin this as you please.

      We folks on the right are more interested in understanding what happened so that we can learn from it and formulate a productive strategy to move forward. That is what we’ll do. This post is a stake in the ground. When more data arrives I’ll provide the results. Dance all you want, but we are in this for the long haul, and come 2014 and 2016 we’ll be fixing the problems and moving on.

  18. bc3b on November 8, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Romney won the primaries because he had far more money than any of his opponents and carpet-bombed them with viscous, hard-hitting ads.

    Had he fought against Obama with that same vigor and viciousness, Mitt may have won. He chose not to do so.

    • Gerry Owen on November 8, 2012 at 10:31 pm

      I’m torn on this one-
      As a general rule, you do not beat an incumbent by being overly aggressive and playing the A-hole in elections.

      I should have prefaced with, In American Politics.

      There are several instances in 3rd world political races where the approach you suggest has worked- Zambia dumped a long time dictator in free elections by calling him out- as did Malawi.
      It has happened in the past. Obama is incompetent. Perhaps that should trump the respect normally given.

      Since we live in a country that increasingly resembles a 3rd world shithole, perhaps we should play by their rules?

  19. Mildred Smith on November 8, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    You’ve heard of the Bradley Effect? Well, this election we witnessed the Romney Effect.

  20. Arizona CJ on November 8, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    I think UncleFred has it right; voter suppression on a grand scale via identity politics and a massive negative ad campaign.

    I didn’t think such a thing would work; I thought Obama’s tactic of going negative would backfire on him. I was wrong.

    The one lesson I’ve relearned; never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.

    • Gerry Owen on November 8, 2012 at 11:15 pm

      Stupidity is strong, the correct is ignorant.
      Years ago, we raised kid and taught them in school to have a work ethic, be self sufficient, and work hard because that is what America is about.

      Then we sacrificed the Educational establishment to the Left.

      .. and we wonder why the kids are brainwashed neo-marxist socialist fools?

      It isn’t stupidity- it is ignorance.

  21. artist on November 8, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    How much has the debt increased since we won the House in 2010?


    So there IS a difference between winning and doing?

    America is going down. If you can’t see that, look again.

    • Gerry Owen on November 8, 2012 at 10:24 pm

      That is the ironic and half way comedic point of this election-
      America, after being 236 years or so the land of the free, the place where you could go and succeed, the land where Government was limited,
      Has finally gone the way of the Psuedo Commie Socialists.
      Why is this comedic?
      FIRST- it hasn’t worked, ANYWHERE- yet we will try it again! Human Nature need not be considered…
      Like I say, enjoy your free stuff while you can, because ‘FORWARD” means over the cliff.

      It is a damn shame economics isn’t taught in High School with any effectiveness, but since we turned over Education to the Leftists, what they would teach would be outright marxism.

  22. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on November 9, 2012 at 2:24 am

    From a Ron Paul econ site comes this report of a shocking image.
    Too late for the election, but … Wow …