A couple of things

November 7, 2012

1. I never did get around to reading After America. I guess I’ll have to now, to find out what happens next.

2. John Boehner’s strategy will probably be the following: If 60 percent of the American people support something that Obama wants, enough House Republicans will vote for it to become law. That’s the only way House Republicans can avoid getting wiped out in 2014. The American people have chosen, and they deserve to get what they want, “good and hard.”

27 Responses to A couple of things

  1. Kamimeni on November 7, 2012 at 7:46 am

    The key takeaway lesson is to not listen to Polipundit. He assured us Romney would destroy the Democrats, so downballot candidates would be free to run their own races.
    Just as Romney was starting to do well, he announces that Romney is a bad candidate. Then as Romney is headed towards a loss he puts up numerous posts about how great things are. Obama got fewer votes and Romney lost, barely beating McCain’s numbers.

  2. Muckdog on November 7, 2012 at 7:46 am

    A sad morning. But the real truth is that the country’s demographics are all changing in favor of the democrats.

    These groups all vote (D) in huge percentages.

    Republicans may never win a national election again.

  3. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on November 7, 2012 at 8:05 am

    First, good to see you back online, Poli 🙂
    I’m in agreement with Muckdog. Dems were NOT enthused. It is clear that Obama is incompetent. But that didn’t matter, the hordes came out dutifully to vote. They are pretty permanently against their image of the Repub party (they have little clue of the issues involved, in most cases). I have concluded that Mitt was the best we could have done. Newt would have been trashed, though he would have been entertainingly feisty.
    In talking to my propagandized daughter (high school) and nearly graduated daughter (law school AND she has a job offer!) I heard the same thing: in favor of gay marriage and abortion on demand. I was puzzled (and, obviously, stupid). I don’t stand against gay marriage, I only say it should be voted in, not imposed by judicial fiat. I don’t like abortion but I am willing to let the issue smolder…I just don’t want tax dollars paying for it and I want people of religion/conscience to be able to opt out.
    This (to my way of thinking) moderate position on issues that are mostly symbolic was a deal-breaker. They didn’t even want to talk about what are to me real issues: the loss of freedom, the economy, debt, corruption, …
    The kids don’t realize how fascist the Dem party has become. They’ll learn but it will be an exceedingly painful process.

    • The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 7, 2012 at 8:33 am

      yeah, they’ll learn. But when the GOP establishment offers young people a candidate they only feel lukewarm about, what do you expect? RE: the real issues. These weren’t even discussed at lenght in the Presidential Debates!!! THink about that — the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES OF THE DAY were not given anything more than a brief mention in the Presidential Debates? Seems like those who control the debates (the MSM and those that back them) are trying to play us all for suckers. And it worked again this time!

      • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on November 7, 2012 at 8:48 am

        And why do they feel lukewarm? They are in the axis of pro-Dem media, pro-Dem celebs, pro-Dem teachers.
        It’s not like they get a reasonably fair look at both sides and come to a conclusion after careful consideration.
        I still think Mitt was OK. If he could not win against an incompetent guy it says more about the MSM and our citizenry than it does about “the Stupid Party” though they deserve the epithet.

        • The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 7, 2012 at 8:53 am

          your not thinking ‘outside the GOP-establishment Box’, Jim.

        • The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 7, 2012 at 9:10 am

          The Youth Vote didn’t turn out for Romney — I hear Glenn Beck is lamenting this today on his program. Bottom line, the GOP establishment went with the wrong candidate. A candidate who could NOT capture the youth vote. It was there for the taking, but the GOP establishment blew it with the wrong candidate.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIP-ibpRYIY&feature=fvwrel .

          • Rational on November 7, 2012 at 10:22 am

            It is not “The Youth Vote didn’t turn out for Romney”, it is the Youth Vote would not turn out for any republican candidate. If a smart, handsome, moderate Romney couldn’t attract youth, neither can other conservative republican.

            You have to realize the world indeed has changed.

            If all you guys think electing a republican president would make a huge difference, look no further than G W Bush. He is no better than Obama!

          • The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 7, 2012 at 11:20 am

            Rational’s reply is anything but (Rational). Young people are wiser than you think, the proof is in the videos who they prefer. They didn’t prefer Romney to Paul. And other than a fair majority of black youth who are misguided, they would not haver preferred Obama to Paul either. The GOP blew it by picking a Rockefeller-type Republican as their nominee who couldn’t pick up a majority of the youth vote. Had they not stymied Paul’s candidacy with their trickery, Obama would have been a one-term President. We are where we are today because of the GOP establishment.

          • Rational on November 7, 2012 at 12:22 pm

            I am a big Paul fan. I do agree Paul will attract quite a large number of youth. But, look, Paul will never survive under the current Republican establishment.

            Even if Paul did come out of primary, to say he would beat Obama is a wide stretch. He may get a bulk of youth vote, but he won’t get much support from traditional social conservative republican voters.

            In any case, republican is a seriously screwed party. Only a structural reform will help.

        • The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 7, 2012 at 9:12 am

          The Youth Vote’s Political “Rock Star”. Cavuto nailed it.


  4. Dan on November 7, 2012 at 8:17 am

    I think Akin and Mourdock hurt. So did Christie.

    • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on November 7, 2012 at 8:28 am

      True enough. But frankly I don’t consider either Akin or Mourdock as bad as Liz Warren. She should be facing charges for false statements on federal records and practicing law in MA without a license.
      We have to remember that anything a Repub does is fair game, but that Dems errors are off limits.

      • Tim on November 7, 2012 at 8:47 am

        It is not that there errors are off limits–its that their voters do not give a rats ass. If you want gay marriage or higher taxes or abortion on demand–you put up with people that will deliver on that no mater what. Frankly she could have been caught in bed with 12 year old boy and she would have won. Not because they agree with what she would have been doing–but because they care more about getting what they want.

        Conservatives want x but unless the messanger is pictue pefect they lose track of what they want.

    • archtop on November 7, 2012 at 8:55 am

      Jim is correct. Here is lesson #1 for conservatives. Liberals can break the law, behave badly, and say outrageous things with impunity. Conservatives however are told not to say or do anything because they will be accused of all sorts of horrible intentions (racism, sexism, ad nauseum). Mourdock said one thing that was misconstrued and it cost him the election. Warren made all sorts of outrageous claims about her heritage and it’s OK. See – it’s really fair!

      By the way, why did we lose last night? It’s quite clear – there aren’t enough Republicans anymore. They’ve been bullied and scared away by our “popular” media. People key our cars if we have a pro-Romney bumper sticker. So here’s my plan for the next four years:


      New carbon tax? Tax hikes on the rich? High energy prices and unemployment? It’s all theirs. And speak up about this to your friends. The goal is to make being a Democrat as unpopular as possible. This will NOT work with die hards, but may work on more “casual” voters.


      Don’t watch their shows. Don’t visit their web sites. Don’t buy their magazines. Don’t acknowledge their existence. If a friend asks you about something on CNN, tell them you don’t watch CNN because it is crap. You can further explain yourself, but they’ll get the point. The idea is to make the MSM even more unpopular than they already are (which will be hard to do, actually).

      This can also extend to items that you purchase. I will be more selective about the companies that I purchase things from in the future.


      I foresee future business conditions potentially deteriorating. If that holds true, then, as Obama said last night, “The best is yet to come…” /sarc

  5. The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 7, 2012 at 8:22 am

    I dont think its so much that the American electorate ’embraced Obama’, but it was more so that they weren’t so excited about Romney. When you get down to it, Romney wasn’t that significantly different than Obama. Hence the term “The White Obama” that he was sometimes referred to.

    Maybe we can all learn a lesson to hold the GOP establishment’s feet to the fire in 2016 to elect a ‘real’ Conservative rather than a lukewarm one(RINO). Maybe in 2014, we have the courage to back, not who the GOP establishment tells us to back, but who the real Conservative candidates are — those who believe in balanced budgets, sound money, individual liberty, and smaller Government.

  6. Dan on November 7, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Romney was vastly superior to Obama,in both policy and character.

    • The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 7, 2012 at 9:14 am

      aparently not in the opinion of over half the country.

      • Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on November 7, 2012 at 10:31 am

        And none of the half would ever consider voting for anything that you believe in, or any candidate you support.

        • The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 7, 2012 at 12:22 pm

          not true. your still living in the Rockefeller-type GOP establishment bubble, Jim. Time to burst that bubble. They’ve lost 2x now … and this last was unforgivable considering that Obama was weak. Unfortunately the GOP establishment’s candidate was weaker. When will enough of you demand they choose more wisely? When will you stop listening to their propaganda of who the ‘right’ candidate is?

      • Rational on November 7, 2012 at 10:33 am

        That is because of Bush effect.

        The Bush effect will drag along for the next couple of election cycles. So, prepare to embrace next decade long democrat white house. By that time, due to demographic change, Republican may dwell on the permanent opposition party status.

        In modern time, no one could bring damage what Bush did to the great republican party, period.

        • Ron on November 7, 2012 at 11:49 am

          What makes you believe there will be another election cycle?

          • Tim on November 7, 2012 at 12:19 pm

            I will say this crap weasal. Back in 1980 i had a freind who voted for Anderson. He was convinced that there was not a dimes worth of differance betwen ronnie and Carter. and he would spout various things that ronnie did while Gov. Well there was a big differance between the two and we all should be glad that Ronnie won. It gave us 25 good years. we had a chance to get back on the right path and we blew it.

            and what–you think if mitt ran on returning to the gold standard he would have won. Or should he have gone down the path of promising to eliminate OSHA and the EEOC and the DOL–the way that guy on fox (Stossel does).

        • The Return of the Giant CrapWeasel on November 7, 2012 at 12:18 pm

          Bush effect?? still playing the ‘blame Bush’ game to cover up Obama’s shortcomings, eh Mr. Liberal? Tell us more about your successes in the prognostition business.

          eventually, this little shell game will come to an end. I expect Obama to wreck things more over teh next 4 yrs. So I don’t see a decade long Dem White House if the GOP puts out a decent candidate in 2016. Maybe more people who think they are conservatives will pull their heads out and not go along with a Romney/McCain type RINO candidate.

          • Tim on November 7, 2012 at 12:26 pm

            Your right he will wreck things. More people will be on food stamps and more people will be cllecting welfare and the more opeople depend on goverment for bascic needs the harder it is to vote for anybody who threatens that life style. Better a bird in hand. it worked for Tammny Hall for a 100 years. and Truman beast Dewey by arguing that bad times were coming back ( alot of folks thought an economy could not run without a major war fueling it) and Dewey weanted to take away all the New Deal programs that sheltered folks from the hard economic times. And Truman had a bad second term (his first elected term). Did it bring around a conservative? No. Ike was a good man but basically he ran a toned down version of the New Deal. That is what we are going to deal with now. A toned down version of whatever programs Obama puts in place. In 2016 nobody runs on repealing Obama care they simply talk about ways of making it better. now i do think we may have trouble making it that far but that is not going to be pretty either.

  7. Kamimeni on November 7, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Because of Bush effect? Bush got more votes than Romney did, as did McCain. If it was because of Bush, then shouldn’t the effect have worn off rather than get stronger?

  8. Goonions on November 7, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    As much as I hate taxes I am starting to believe we need to do what Boehner said. Give them their massive tax increases and when the economy totally tanks then tell them so. Otherwise it is just more and more accusations of obstructionism. Let them have a good taste of what they want and then make them eat it.