Thoughts on Obama’s epic debate fail

October 6, 2012

Yes, Obama was arrogant, lazy, unprepared, and incompetent.

But enough about his Presidency. Let’s talk about the debate.

Both contestants used bogus figures and optimistic assumptions. Romney’s plan to grow his way out of 8% GDP deficits without serious defense cuts and entitlement reforms is as absurd as the Hope & Change that Obama promised his idiot voters four years ago.

But the biggest takeaway I have is how sad it is that our republic has come down to a game show where the smoothest talking blatant liar wins all.

So this is how democracy dies: not with a bang or a whimper, but a farce.

46 Responses to Thoughts on Obama’s epic debate fail

  1. Dr. Peter Venkman on October 6, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Very sad indeed. 🙁

  2. Strider on October 6, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Oh but that insane attention whore Ron Paul is the answer.

    Put not your faith in princes

  3. MikeN on October 6, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Bill Clinton got out of deficits into surplus without entitlement cuts or serious defense cuts.

    • IP727 on October 6, 2012 at 7:05 pm

      Bill clinton can’t take credit for any of that, the investors did that,
      not some bureaukrat in the white house. He was dragged kicking and screaming
      into signing the welfare reform bill after vetoing it twice.

    • rightwingyahoo on October 6, 2012 at 8:14 pm

      What!! the defense cuts were enormous, and the entitlements were doomed as Clinton made Gingrich fold in the budget battles of 1995.

      That was the last chance to reform the entitlements without pain. Clinton lied and demagogued his way thru that without stopping to even think.

      Sometimes I swear you’re a dumb ass commie.

      • MikeN on October 6, 2012 at 9:54 pm

        So no entitlement cuts. What defense cuts there were had already happened by the time Gingrich became Speaker. Yet Clinton went from deficit to surplus without entitlement cuts or defense cuts, or really any spending cuts, as all the spending caps were ignored in short order.

        • Trent Telenko on October 7, 2012 at 5:47 am

          The Defense cuts were planned in Bush (I) to be implemented over five years.

          They were accomplished in two.

        • rightwingyahoo on October 7, 2012 at 7:08 am

          We all know the military scavenged working equipment for parts for stuff that broke.

          And, the entitlements time bomb kept ticking, and here we are now. What the fuck is wrong with you?

          Clinton was not the answer to anything, and he wanted government health care and gun bans same as Ogabe did.

          What a douchey thing to say. You’re such a fag sometimes.

          • MikeN on October 7, 2012 at 7:30 am

            Is plain English escaping you? Poli claimed it couldn’t be done, and yet we saws it did happen under Clinton. No defense cuts and no entitlement cuts. That includes welfare reform which didn’t cut spending but instead let the states keep the money.

          • rightwingyahoo on October 7, 2012 at 12:14 pm

            no, you fuckwad. My point is that IT WASNT DONE UNDER CLINTON. OK? The media said it was, to shine up his time in office, but it WASNT DONE.

  4. MikeN on October 6, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Gallup is down to Obama +3. Only 2 days out of seven are post debate.

  5. DavidM on October 6, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Romney’s victory had nothing to do with smooth talking, but with the information that came from the talking. He passionately defended free enterprise with facts, figures and common sense. This is the exact way to win a debate. Your concerns for the county should be centered on how how the person who lost the debate coulld still win the election offering no ideas, no plan and a philosophy that is diametrically opposed to two thirds of voting public.

  6. Arizona CJ on October 6, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    I’d much prefer to see cuts in non-defense discretionary spending and entitlements, but for the sake of argument, what if government spending was capped at this year’s level (including for entitlements; no more growth of them) and then enough regulations (a major brake on the economy) were cut, and Obamacare was killed. If the economy boomed, how many years of high growth to erase the deficit? Not that many, if it;’s a Reagan-level boom. That’d be essentially betting the far on a boom so not the best course of action IMHO. I’d much prefer cuts too.

    As an alternative, cap federal spending in absolute dollar terms; no more adjustments for inflation. That’d be an effective cut over time, plus it’d deter the government from letting inflation rise.

    • oh boy... on October 6, 2012 at 11:28 pm

      yep, the only way out is grow grow grow. And Romney offers that chance.

  7. basokla on October 6, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Good grief. Just shut this site down.

    I swear. This is the most Eeyore-ish crap I have ever seen.

    Cowboy Up! Or just withdraw Atlas.

    • oh boy... on October 6, 2012 at 11:32 pm

      Got to sort of agree with you Basokla, this blog has gotten weird really. Seems like it’s isolated itself and its in it’s own alternate world.

      Romney will win, and the country will prosper again. And all of the technological wonders coming, don’t despair.

  8. Hillbilly Deluxe on October 7, 2012 at 4:50 am

    The first debate has been overhypedRomney put on a show that was all form and no substance and Obama let him get away with it. Romney sounded like an Amway salesman-enthusiasm with no details. By doing that, Romney set a trap for himself. See george Will’s commments below from This Week on 9/9/12.

    On ABC’s “This Week” roundtable Sunday, conservative columnist George Will questioned the mathematical soundness of the Romney-Ryan tax cut plan. It’s estimated to cost trillions of dollars but Mitt Romney vows that it will be revenue neutral by closing unspecified loopholes on high-income taxpayers.

    “There is uncertainty surrounding the Romney-Ryan tax cut plan, because they have not specified the deductions that will be closed,” Will said. “And we know where the big money is: mortgage interest deductions, charitable deductions, taxing that’s compensation, which it is, employee-provided health insurance, and state and local taxes. All of those, you either hit only the rich, in which case you don’t get much money, or you hit the middle class.”

    Asked to provide details of their plan in separate interviews on Sunday talk shows, Romney and Paul Ryan repeatedly declined.

    Unless Romney explains the arithmetic, he’s in a lot of danger. 2=2 does not equal 5.

    • Trent J. Telenko on October 7, 2012 at 6:34 am

      Hillbilly Deluxe,

      These Debates are political events whose point is to show case the candidate’s leadership capabilities to the American people, AKA the non-elites that shop at Target and Walmart, not policy points for political class to count coup.

      See what Michael Barone says here:

      The most important thing about these debates is that they give voters an idea of which candidate can take command for an office one of whose titles is commander-in-chief. Romney, in his interactions with Lehrer and with Obama, established that he is a man who can take command. Obama, through the whole debate, seemed like a man who cannot. Romney took command tonight and Obama looked irritable and weak. Americans don’t usually want irritatble and weak leaders as their commanders-in-chief.

      This was what Polipundit missed and why he checked out thinking Romney lost on debate night.

      It is also why I was saying to him on his update thread that Romney was showing leadership and that he won.

    • Dr. Ray Stantz on October 7, 2012 at 11:53 am

      …and your not going to get exact details, any more than Obama gave details of his health care reform plan before his election…

      …or before the bill was put forth for a vote (“we have to pass it to know what’s in it”)…

      …or even to this day.

      Not revealing his details denies the Democrats effective targets. Boo hoo for them and you….

      Romney didn’t say anything that’s a lie in any way except by leftist exaggeration and spin.

      No, no, no, no, no, Hillbilly, Romney kicked Obama’s ass in the 1st debate on subtance and style, in day games and night game, at home and on the road, vs. lefties or righties, on grass and on turf, for all reasons and for all seasons, and you don’t get to spin out of it.

      Can Obama do better? Sure he can. The townhall debate style favors the empathetic speaker and million-government-program approach of the Democrats. Will he? He better, or in spite of all the illegal money he has flowing in from out of the country, he’s not getting re-elected.

  9. Trent Telenko on October 7, 2012 at 5:40 am

    Romney’s style was pure CEO trying to sell a project to his board or investors outside his company.

    That the Obama campaign screamed “Bain” at the top of its lungs and were blind sided by Romney’s presentation says a great deal, little of it good.

  10. Lyle on October 7, 2012 at 6:19 am

    Romney won the debate by throwing the conservative movement under the bus, much like he did in 2002 when he ran for governor in Mass, and how did that work out Romney care. Romney is not conservative or liberal he is simply an opportunist that put an R on his shirt in hopes he can advance his carreer.

  11. Hillbilly Deluxe on October 7, 2012 at 6:22 am

    Romney was the modern version of the old Southern senator who went back home to give a speech. It was a barn-burner. He had the folks, hooting, hollering and stomping their feet.
    In the car on the way back, the aide who was driving said, “That was a good speech, sir. The senator snorted and replied, “Son, that was great speech. My daddy would have liked it and my momma would have believed it.

    • MikeN on October 7, 2012 at 7:32 am

      It’s Obama who gave such a speech. Where’s yo dolla?

  12. Lyle on October 7, 2012 at 6:51 am

    Romney is starting to show some political skills, I wonder if he loses this time around if he won’t try again in 2016, as a kinder gentler candidate.

  13. Hillbilly Deluxe on October 7, 2012 at 7:01 am

    No, Lyle, he won’t. You post above captured Romney’s lack of character. Anybody who believes anything Romney says deserves whatever Romney does to them.

    • Lyle on October 7, 2012 at 8:02 am

      I’m not saying its right what he’s doing but I think Romney may be hoping to bend the republican party to fit him for a run in 2016. If he doesn’t win this time look for Romney to spend the next four years remaking himself into the man that get the white house back in republican hands, all they have to do is allow him room to maneuver.

      At one point in his carreer he tried to go to the left of Ted Kennedy and he will go every direction but away

  14. rightwingyahoo on October 7, 2012 at 7:10 am

    you Ogabe clowns are really losing it. We don’t yet know how far we can trust Romney, but if you’re holding out Barack Hussein Odinga Mugabe as the alternative, you know what you can do.

  15. Trent Telenko on October 7, 2012 at 7:26 am

    The rumor mill in the Right-o-sphere Alternate Media says the Romney campaign thinks it is now over 270 in the electoral college.


    • MikeN on October 7, 2012 at 7:34 am

      Well yes, and you don’t need to look at internal polls to do it. Look at RealClearPolitics, and look through each state’s polls, under battleground polls. You see a poll with Romney ahead in Ohio, Virginia, Florida, and Colorado which is enough with North Carolina and Arizona.

      • MikeN on October 7, 2012 at 7:37 am

        I’m surprised Romney is doing as poorly on Intrade as he is. I now think it is a concerted effort by big money Obamaites to keep his numbers down. A few thousand dollars will move him a percentage point or so, but to keep Romney this low takes a lot. This is a great opportunity to make money. Currently at 36%, which is lower than before the Republican convention and all summer. It was at 20% ten days ago.

        • MikeN on October 7, 2012 at 7:38 am

          Admittedly I had been going to liberal blogs telling them to invest Obama to keep the donors away from the Romney camp, in hopes of getting myself a better deal.

        • MikeN on October 7, 2012 at 7:56 am

          Bigger surprise is right this instant people could make guaranteed money betting on Obama and Romney. About 110 shares selling at 6.38 for Obama and 3.60 for Romney. Only 2 dollars but still.

        • Trent Telenko on October 7, 2012 at 10:15 am

          Democrat associated financial interests with the latest computer trading software droids (see George Soros) can throw seven figures like chump change in markets as small as Intrade.

          • MikeN on October 7, 2012 at 2:39 pm

            Good reason to buy in now.

  16. Hillbilly Deluxe on October 7, 2012 at 7:32 am

    rightwingyahoo: You are deliberately misinterpreting my post. I’m not suggesting Obama as an alternative to Romney. I simply don’t see any difference between them Look at Romneycare and his stands as governor of Mass. Your admission that Romney can’t be trusted means you knlow that I’m right.

    • rightwingyahoo on October 7, 2012 at 7:56 am

      yes, he didnt do much good for MA, but he won’t be able to get away with that with the whole country watching.

      To say you see no difference between Ogabe and Romney is really giving up the IQ points. Even Bush, awful as he was, was better than Gore or Kerry would have been. He was just a terrible disappointment compared to what he SOLD HIMSELF AS.

      Romney will not be as bad, I predict, because the country has no margin for error any longer. He MUST get it right, or over we go. And so he’ll be more careful, and the right far more watchful, than they were under Bush, who ruined everything.

      You’ll see.

      Romney will:

      enforce the immigration laws, (after being forced to)
      repeal Ogabe care in full with no mandate (after being forced to)
      cut spending dramatically (after being forced to)
      reform entitlements at least partially
      appoint conservative SCOTUS judges
      remove the regulatory stranglehold on our economy (after being forced to)

      As such, he will have done far more good than Bush 41 ir 43 ever did, and will be remembered accordingly.

    • Ryan Aaron on October 7, 2012 at 8:32 am

      then you are utterly and completely and willfully blind …

  17. Hillbilly Deluxe on October 7, 2012 at 8:20 am

    rightwingyahoo: Keep dreaming. You live in a fanatasy world. Romney won’t be forced to do anything he doesn’t want to do. He will be a repeat of Bush, Jr. Karl Rove will see to that.

  18. oh boy... on October 7, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I will take a repeat of Bush Jr any day over the loser that is Obama.

    You have to remember that 45% of the country is dem, so you have to work with what you got, you simply are not going to get pure conservatism.

    I’ll take 8 years of Romney and 8 years of Ryan and thats 16 years of pro-growth policies. It will be much like the run-up of 80s and 90s.

  19. Hillbilly Deluxe on October 7, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Folks: Im right and you’re wrong. Romney is absolutely untrustworthy. There is NO difference between he and Obama. Romney will do whatever Karl Rove tells him to do and I will not put up with that.
    I voted early last Friday for Virgil Goode. I dislike party switchers of eithr party but Romney’s debate performance convinced me that VG is a sight better than Romney.

    Obama vs. Romney personifies what the Stones wrote and sang in 1968. A choice of cancer or polio.

    • Evan3457 on October 7, 2012 at 11:56 am

      We KNOW Romney is not a true conservative. It doesn’t matter. The Marxist must be defeated, and you’re not going to discourage us. But keep trying; it wastes your time to hold you hear, instead of spreading gloom and doom elsewhere.

    • rightwingyahoo on October 7, 2012 at 12:20 pm

      Romney will have an R house and Senate to back him, and a pissed off electorate that will not tolerate Bush type fecklessness.

      You’ll see.

      All he’s gotta do is cut spending, stand back while the immigration laws are enforced, scale back the regulatory burdens and talk up the economy.

      Much of this can be accomplished thru exec orders reversing Ogabe’s same, and the spending/regulatory bit will be tough as always because the Democrats will demagogue it.

      If Romney goes to work chopping that down, instead of running from it, (Ryan can help here) we’ll win.

      And then we just need a couple SCOTUS conservatives to cancel out Roberts and Ginsberg, and we’re good to go.

    • Anonymous Un-Paultard on October 8, 2012 at 12:01 am

      Virgil Goode? LMFAO! Thanks for Sh!tting in the bed. GFO!

  20. Hillbilly Deluxe on October 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    rightwingyahoo: Son, stay off the drugs.

  21. oh boy... on October 7, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Yep Hillbilly, from the guy that says this “There is NO difference between he and Obama.”

    The White House and Senate right now are not even a functioning government. They are in complete failure mode.

  22. Mad Dog on October 8, 2012 at 5:48 am

    There were a lot of posters on this thread that are completely disconnected from reality. I can only hope their caregivers never let them have access to any edged weapons.