The end of America

November 6, 2012

No, I’m not exaggerating.

I’m an immigrant. I felt like I was born in the wrong country – a country where free speech was optional, freedom needed to be justified against other considerations, the successful were hated and resented, government was the career of choice for smart people, and business was severely limited by burdensome regulations. In short, a country in inevitable decline.

I yearned for America, a land of limitless possibilities where the people loved freedom, and a two-hundred-year-old Constitution guaranteed it. I made my way here as soon as I could, thus correcting the mistake fate had made when I was born.

For many immigrants, America was their last best hope, the only country that matched their ambition and optimism. There was no other sanctuary for people like me.

And now there is no sanctuary left.

The choice in this election was stark, and Americans have made their choice. They have chosen liberal piety over America’s future, free condoms over freedom. They have voted for a government that, in our president’s words, believes that American exceptionalism is the same as British exceptionalism or Greek exceptionalism. Given the course Americans have chosen, he may be right.


  1. Our national debt dwarfs our GDP in the same manner as, say Greece’s debt dwarfed its GDP and led to the troubles Greece faces today.
  2. That will only get worse as we run trillion-dollar deficits for the foreseeable future.
  3. Not to mention the massive cost of entitlements, including the new one called Obamacare.
  4. Amid all this, government ties down business with endless regulation, and wants to punish success by raising taxes on “the rich.”
  5. Half the American people no longer pay federal income taxes. They have an incentive to soak the rich.
  6. Millions more get monthly payments from Social Security disability, unemployment “insurance” and the like. In fact, one in three Americans lives in a household that gets some kind of direct government assistance. They too will want to soak the rich.
  7. Power-hungry politicians will continue to divide us by gender, race, ethnicity and income. Each party will vie harder than the other to win the favor of this or that group. Freedom of speech, religion, and property will suffer. The idea that we are all created equal will effectively be written out of our founding documents.
  8. In fact, our freedoms are already gone. Government can mandate that we purchase products and, soon, “hate speech” will doubtless be criminalized, like in Europe. Don’t believe me? Look at the official assault on Chick-Fil-A. Do you think any company will dare to oppose gay marriage again? Or look at the federal persecution of anyone who dares to make movies disparaging Mohammed. How much longer before “anti-gay” or “anti-Muslim” speech immediately gets you fined or thrown in jail, like in the UK?

What exactly is the difference between America and Greece? I can’t tell anymore. Except that the scale of our problems dwarfs that of Greece, and has the potential to take down the entire world.

Hence the title of my post, “The end of America.” America is no longer exceptional, and no longer has much of a future. It is thus no different from doomed entities like Greece, Spain, or California. We are in a state of inexorable decline. The question is just how and when we’ll decline, not if.

Like Greece – and its apprentice on the Pacific, California – America will grow ever broker, ever more stifling, ever faster declining, ever more self-righteous, and ever more leftwing. The worse it will get, the more voters will vote for worseness. The decline will only accelerate. We may occasionally elect “Republicans” and “conservatives” to the odd office, but they will be compromised compromisers, powerless to stop the decline.

The decline may even be comfortable. What’s left of the American spirit, and our unimaginable wealth and resources, will ensure that. But, as in Europe, by the time the consequences are fully apparent, we will be unable to undo them.

Decades hence, America will take its place among the great civilizations whose success was their eventual undoing. Our descendants will marvel at the wonders we wrought, and they’ll wonder why they can’t come close to matching our achievements. Then they’ll go vote for faster decline. If they can still vote.

That’s not just me talking. It’s 53 percent of you.

135 Responses to The end of America

  1. bobo on November 6, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    D+6. Never in my wildest nightmare did I expect D+6, Mitt’s 47% turned out to be optimistic.

    • basokla on November 6, 2012 at 8:28 pm

      It’s called free stuff. And they love it.

      • Goonions on November 6, 2012 at 8:43 pm

        What they seem to forget is that the free stuff will eventually run out.

        • Basokla on November 6, 2012 at 11:00 pm

          Not as long as WE continue to go to work.

    • radioone on November 7, 2012 at 5:16 am

      Currently, Obama is down 10-million votes from 2008. BUT, Romney and Ryan are down 3-million votes from McCain/Palin. How come those voters disappeared?

      • Ron on November 7, 2012 at 8:27 pm

        Far right Christians who just couldn’t vote for a Morman even tho he was a God loving decent man who aborred abortions.
        Hope they will find some happiness with their Muslim leader.

        • Obama2012 on December 30, 2012 at 4:00 pm

          This is ya’ll problem. You continue to believe in the crazy nonsense. Akin with his legitmate, Donald Trump with his crazy accusations and people like you who still think Obama is Kenyan and that he is muslim. No one wants to be apart of a party even with a few people who think so illogically.

          • Obama2012 on December 30, 2012 at 4:02 pm

            *rape and that the body can “shut down” knowing that it’s being raped.

  2. rightwingyahoo on November 6, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Bush knocked the building down, Ogabe hosed the rubble with a flamethrower, and the American people just raised the white flag.

    • Rafael on November 6, 2012 at 10:44 pm

      Well-said RWY. I’d say it was the indentured servants of the govt largess that raised the white flag. I refuse to…

    • Rational on November 7, 2012 at 5:14 am

      As I said before, Republican should have themselves to blame for electing GWB. After his 8 years presidency with reckless spending and government expanding, Republican has no credit left of fiscal policy and small government.

      The difference between Republican and Democrats: Republican says one thing and does the opposite; Democrats does one thing at least doesn’t pretend trying to do the opposite. You can see which side is more hypocrite and disgusting.

      Reagan spent and ran deficit but he won the cold war; Bush spent and ran deficit for what besides two messy wars and a financial crises?

      Mitt is the best candidate Republican have this time. If he were elected, he’d have the potential to clean Republican’s severely tainted image. However, he still fell victim of Bush.

      Obama won the reelection not on his 4 years record, but attacking Bush’s failed policy. That pretty much tells the story of Bush effect. He didn’t beat Romney, he beat a former president!

      Republican may not have another chance in the foreseeable future due to the continuous trend of demographic change unless Democrats really screwed up big. At that time, the nation might be in such a bad shape that only God can save.

      With all that said, that is not the end of the world.

    • Reggie1971 on November 7, 2012 at 6:17 am

      100% Correct. GWB was the worst thing to ever happen to the Republican party, and I’m tired of stupid Bushie neocons pretending otherwise.

  3. Goonions on November 6, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Sad sad day for us. Well, the liberals seem to forget that eventually the freebies all run out and then they have to share the freebies with everyone.

    • Herman on November 6, 2012 at 9:27 pm

      No problem, liberals love to share 🙂

      • Goonions on November 7, 2012 at 4:42 am

        Sure, you tell that to the Hollywood elite.

  4. archtop on November 6, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Well, Poli – let me first admit that I was wildly wrong about New Hampshire. I don’t know what people here were thinking this year. I didn’t see any enthusiasm for Obama, but then I suppose we’re being invaded by libs from all directions.

    Second, I won’t give up. I’ve made it through 4 years of Obama – I’ll make it through 4 more. I won’t let my life be ruined by this, but instead rise above it. Also think about this – nothing has changed, the Republicans still hold the House. There will be divided government into the future.

    To be honest though – I am VERY disappointed that so many opportunities to pick up senate seats were squandered on terrible candidates (specifically IN, MO, and FL). Didn’t have to happen…

    • pkmom on November 7, 2012 at 3:06 am

      I’m from Indiana. I liked Murdock. He is a good man who like many of us had his words twisted and turned into something nasty. Indiana had so much outside money pumped into this Senate race, could ANY law abiding, moral person have won? Nothing has changed in Washington DC.

  5. Goonions on November 6, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    I better not hear one word from the liberals about $6 a gallon gas or their electricity doubling. They deserve it.

    • Neil on November 6, 2012 at 11:34 pm

      We were right about predicting 4 years ago that things would go downhill and saying we’ll see how people like it. Fifty percent seem to like the decline and the mess just fine. So if gas is $6 or we have another recession they’ll just still say it was Bush’s fault.

    • nagohal on November 7, 2012 at 7:08 am

      They will whine about $6 gas and a host of other complaints and Washington will reply with increases in welfare transfers and bluster and blather about ‘more regulations’ and ‘tax the rich’. And we will have another Obama type candidate in 2016.
      I really believe it’s over. Time to Go Galt and let the system crash and burn.

  6. Dan on November 6, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    I think Ohioans are going to quickly regret Obama “saving”the auto industry. He is going to put executive orders on fracking,mining. Not to mention much more stringent emissions standards. You know what though? I will laugh my ass off at them!

    • Goonions on November 6, 2012 at 8:49 pm

      Me too! They get exactly what they deserve. They think unemployment is bad now, just wait until businesses see the writing on the wall and start shutting them down.

      • allie on November 7, 2012 at 2:55 am

        I agree with what you said but don’t blame me I didn’t vote for Obama. I tried to tell everyone who would listen that if Obama won our children and grandchildren would pay the price. And they would not like the world they voted for. That they would deserve the world they apparently wanted but the rest of us did not. All I can say is I am so depressed and worried. We are so screwed.

        Gas went up yesterday afternoon from $3.25 gallon to $3.45. It has already started. This will not end well. Too many free loaders and more on the way.

  7. bonaparte on November 6, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    meh. the GOP house will keep Obama in check. I hate you and Barronne and Rove for brainwashing me with this “motivated Romney” turnout bullshit which I then turned into over $7k losses of wagers.

    • Rda on November 6, 2012 at 8:56 pm

      Except .. Obamacare; permenant. Justices. Tax increases by doing nothing. EPA.

  8. Herman on November 6, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Conservatives, you know as well as I do that if you had chosen an honest man of integrity like Jon Huntsman as your candidate you would have won. Instead you foolishly decided to nominate one of the most insincere, dishonest, crooked, cold-hearted bastards that the public has ever encountered.


    How do you think the American people are going to react to someone who refuses to release several years of tax returns because he has something to hide? Who is so insincere that he flip-flops repeatedly? Who has no moral reservations about lying right in the middle of a presidential debate? Who puts his money in Swiss bank accounts, rather than investing that money in America?

    You decided to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Now 4 more years of Obama for you. Deal with it.

    • basokla on November 6, 2012 at 8:52 pm

      Please go die somewhere. Tonight if at all possible.

    • Gerry Owen on November 6, 2012 at 9:00 pm

      Get bent-
      You supported a self aggrandizing narcissist who wrote several autobiographies without doing a damn thing worthwhile to become the leader of the free world-
      and he has done squat with it, except make us more and more dependent on the Government.
      Poli is right- this is the end of America as we know it.

      Vision of the Future? a Better life and a growing economy? Strong leader in the world?
      Nah, gimme free shit. Free birth control and abortions for all! Free college! Free Lunches!
      1/6 of America on Food Stamps? Why, lets get that up to half!

      Problem is, you stupid dolt, there is no money to pay for it.
      You cannot raise it through taxes- the Government already takes in 20% of our GDP.
      Raising taxes when the government is already eating that much of the economic output only depresses growth.

      You are nothing more than a parasite- and the beast you feed off of is running dry.

      Pathetic fool. Enjoy your night- thanks for pissing away my kids’ future opportunities.

      Wife and I were already planning on going Galt in this eventuality. We will not be in the higher tax brackets any longer.

      • Herman on November 6, 2012 at 9:20 pm

        You call me a fool when you & your candidate support filthy air to people to inhale. Don’t talk to me about your children’s “future opportunities”! You with your shortsighted selfishness do your best to bring about global warming — TO YOUR EVERLASTING SHAME.

        BOO HOO! Your taxes are too high, as if that is the most pressing problem in the world. You call Obama a narcissist? You think primarily only about yourself. Certainly you don’t give a damn about future generations, given the filth you put into the air, & your longing to use up unrenewable resources as quickly as possible.

        Go the Ayn Rand route, see where it gets you. I suppose you’ll tell me it’s the Jesus thing to do, right?

        • Gerry Owen on November 6, 2012 at 9:40 pm

          Air is fine where I live- as long as none of you scummy hippie types are around stinking up the place. If you hadn’t heard or noticed, your pressing problem isn’t occurring, and wasn’t even an issue in this campaign as a result.

          The most pressing problem in the world IS the economy, and the deleterious effects over taxation, over regulation, and ever increasing debt loads are having on it-
          and there is tons more evidence of that than Global Warming.

          Enjoy the free stuff before the money runs out- although I am pro-life, I will offer the congratulatory sentiment that I sincerely wish your mother had been able to enjoy the coming access to free taxpayer funded abortions.

          • Herman on November 6, 2012 at 10:42 pm

            Aw, a global-warmer denier, clearly not a scientific type, are you guy? Undoubtedly because your parents successfully fought against the tax increases that would have improved your education. Maybe you could explain how the people of say, Sweden, get by with much higher rates of taxation & enjoy a longer life expectancy? As it was once said long ago, “taxes are what we pay for a civilization,” but you much prefer to be uncivilized. “Ever-increasing debt loads”? Don’t make me laugh. It was your guy, Bush, who implemented the tax cuts for the wealthy (along with 2 recessions & a war based on lies) that led to these debt loads.
            Being “pro-life,” you might want to ask your good imaginary buddy, Sky Chief, why He aborts so many babies with “spontaneous abortion.” But don’t be stupid enough to wait long for a reply.

          • Goonions on November 7, 2012 at 4:44 am

            Herman, that global warming stuff was so 2008. Come off of it.

    • rightwingyahoo on November 6, 2012 at 9:09 pm

      You worthless fucking miscreant, Jon Huntsman was a fucking scumocrat socialist like the rest of you swine and no more fit to hold the office than the Kenyan fraud himself.

      Fuck you.

      • Sunny Optimist on November 6, 2012 at 9:47 pm

        ♩♪♫♬ Happy days are here again ♬♩♪♫♬

        • Goonions on November 7, 2012 at 1:24 am

          That is what you think!! We will see if you can sing that a year from now. If you are of the 47% Obama is now done with you. You have worn out your usefulness. You can now be thrown under the bus. Yep, happy days are here and I will be laughing when the teat dries up.

    • allie on November 7, 2012 at 3:05 am

      They elected and now have reelected a man who has no past at least as far as what is known. No passport records, no college transcripts, no anything about his previous life except what little he wants us to know (how much is true? who knows?). You mean someone like that?

    • Evan3457 on November 7, 2012 at 3:20 am

      You know what’s funny here?

      You don’t see it coming, even after all the warning.

  9. jay in Peru on November 6, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    How many votes did Gary Johnson get in Ohio? Colorado, Iowa?
    I hope he`s happy now .A libertarian help-mate for the Obammunists.
    Now if we impeach Barry for criminal negligence in the Benghazigate affair, we are left with Joe Bite-me.

  10. JoeSmoe832 on November 6, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    We are still in better shape tomorrow than we were 4 years ago. At least the Republicans still comfortably control the House tomorrow, whereas the Democrats controlled everything 4 years ago. Basically, there will be gridlock in DC for at least the next 2 years since Republicans have a significant enough margin in the House to block everything. But look for the liberal MSM to demonize the House Republicans at every possible moment. The word “obstructionist” will come up in virtually every news story. After 2 years of being constantly demonized by the MSM, the Democrats stand a pretty good shot of taking back the House. If that happens, then we are totally screwed.

    One good thing is that the Democrats will continue to own the current economy and all the fallout from Obamacare over the next 4 years. Maybe enough voters will finally wake up 4 years from now.

    • Neil on November 6, 2012 at 11:39 pm

      I had thought a 6 year itch election would mean big GOP gains in 2014 but who knows. In any case with Republicans down to a measly 44 Senate seats (if that is the final number) taking a majority in 2 years will be extremely difficult unless there is a huge electoral tsunami.

  11. Mildred Smith on November 6, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    I blame the Birthers.

  12. bonaparte on November 6, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    It’s amazing to me how Romney (who seemingly ran such a great campaign) missed the boat so badly on Florida and Virginia.

    Why the hell was he wasting so much time and money in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin when he hadn’t even shored up FL and Virginia (and NC for that matter)???

    Things he could have done differently to win:

    A) Select Rubio instead of Ryan
    B) Hammer the 2004 Bush states instead of the fools gold (MI, WI, IA, PA, MN)
    C) Not have written that dumbass anti-auto editorial in the WSJ when he knew he was going to be running for President and would need Ohio.
    D) Not cut that aid for Aiken which definitely hurt him with women

    • Herman on November 6, 2012 at 9:25 pm

      Rubio wasn’t deceitful enough for Romney, so he went with Lyin’ Ryan.

    • Gerry Owen on November 6, 2012 at 10:58 pm

      A) Rubio was too young, too inexperienced on the national stage, and a little too close to the republican credit card scandal that afflicted the FL GOP a while back. Also, he is tied, in voter’s minds, to the Tea Party, which- like it or not- is a downer among a lot of moderates due to the media ripping it constantly. Ryan was a good pick, they didn’t use him effectively.
      B) Agreed. If you are going to make a play for PA, start early, and cover Philly with poll watchers. Preferably armed (j/k, but seriously, that vote fraud machine has gone on too long). WI should have been hammerred early if you thought there was a shot. MI is full of drooling union morons, there never was a chance there. MN is just fucking retarded. Al Franken??? Seriously????
      C) Although he was exactly right in the editorial, and the auto industry (and its creditors) would have been better off if they had gone that route, you are correct- the average voter is ignorant, doesn’t care to educate themselves because they have better things to do like watch “family Guy” reruns, and that is the society we are building. Romney should have explained that better, and early. Instead he answered it in a debate (effectively) got the press to fact check, whch they grudgingly did and had to concede he was right- but who reads the fact checks?
      D) Disagree, chopping ties with Akin was the right thing to do- he still carried MO. If you mean Mourdock, I doubt it would have a made a difference- damage was done, Mourdock inadvertantly reignited the pitifull sophistry of the Dems “War on Women” argument and hurt Romney nationally with independent (but looking for a sugar daddy to give them free shit) women.

      • Neil on November 6, 2012 at 11:42 pm

        MN was fairly close. I was surprised. 0bama’s margin was way down, as it was in other states….McCaskill ended up winning by such a large margin I have to wonder if she might have beaten one of the other Republican candidates anyway. The Democrat trend nationwide in Senate races was very strong.

    • allie on November 7, 2012 at 3:01 am

      Don’t you know the so-called MSM will

  13. CenPho on November 6, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    At least AZ is an island of sanity relative to the surrounding shit holes.

    • Arizona CJ on November 6, 2012 at 9:28 pm

      For now.

      If these election results stand, I’m going to be handing out notices Wednesday and shutting my business. (That’ll add a few more to the unemployment rolls). I’m done, and going Galt for real. I really don’t have a reason not to. I’ve been setting things up to give myself the option for darn near a year (five, if you count bailing out of all real estate holdings before the market dived). I’ve got better things to do with my time than make money so the D’s can give it to scum. I’d rather burn it if it comes to that.

      As for Romney… He wasn’t my first choice, but I think he’s a good man and ran a good campaign. Was he perfect? Of course not. Was his campaign perfect? Of course not. But he should have won. Personally, I think he did; it’s close, and the D’s cheat like hell. They stole this election (aided by a load of foreign money) but, as they say, if it’s not close, they can’t cheat.

      Tonight, America did what no enemy ever could; it defeated itself.

      • Mildred Smith on November 6, 2012 at 9:31 pm

        Goodbye and good luck!

        • Gerry Owen on November 6, 2012 at 10:16 pm

          What, you leaving? If you voted for this mess, stick around and finish running the country into the dirt.

        • Goonions on November 6, 2012 at 10:31 pm

          Hey Midred, we will see how far the 47% goes when the 53% has had enough and decides to join them. So, does Obama get to keep blaming Bush for the economy he was handed or does he finally have to act like a man and look in the mirror?

          • Mildred Smith on November 6, 2012 at 10:49 pm

            “So, does Obama get to keep blaming Bush for the economy . . .”


            Hell, the Dems can scare voters with Bogeyman Bush for a good 30-40 more years.

  14. Lyle on November 6, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    It seemed like Romney didn’t get the electoral vote math until it was too late, and nut jobs like Mourdock and akin didn’t help

    • jay in Peru on November 6, 2012 at 9:24 pm

      I begged Akin to drop out, but alas pride cometh before a fall. Then Muordock proved that he couldn`t keep his lip buttoned. What a pair of losers ! The Buckley rule is always right: Nominate the most conservative candidate who can win.

      • Lyle on November 6, 2012 at 9:30 pm

        Mourdock probably could have not campaigned and won.

        • Basokla on November 6, 2012 at 11:04 pm

          Don’t forget Chris Christie Creme.

          What a big pile of feces.

          • Ron on November 7, 2012 at 9:00 pm

            Carefull what you say about Chris Christie as Ann Coulter just loves him….Must be his big fat dick huh?
            He is the biggest asshole I’ve ever seen.

  15. Jim,MtnView,CA,USA on November 6, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Credit to Romney. Not my choice but in the end an honor to vote for him.
    Don’t give up, dig in deep.

    • Gerry Owen on November 6, 2012 at 10:14 pm

      I agree totally- we had a lot of mediocre choices, and he was the best qualified of the lot. His strengths fit most of the pressing needs,and his optimism was infectious.
      I DO have a lot of problems with his campaign, I felt they left a lot of issues and questions for the president on the table when they should have been throwing the book at him.
      They picked Ryan as Veep, then he kind of disappeared after the convention. Thought I would see a lot more of him on the trail.Your Veep is the guy who is supposed to play Pit Bull, like Biden attempted with comedic effect.
      It seems minor, but I really think basing the campaign out of Boston was a big mistake- your surrounding when you leave work, go to dinner, have a beer at the bar, etc. have an effect on how you plan your strategies- for example, one of the guys I know who worked on Bush’s first campaign talked about one of Rove’s people who would go to bars on the outskirts of Austin and strike up conversations, shoot talking points past people he met, and guage effectiveness.
      Austin is very Blue, but the suburbs are purple and red- there are no red or Blue areas in or around Boston. They were working in a Liberal bubble. If we missed the boat on turnout, perhaps it was because they went too vanilla in the fight, because those were the most palatable arguments to blue staters. They needed to educate a bunch of the great unwashed and get them as pissed and fired up like the base.

      Some things I did like, the early voting attacks and methodology was phenomenal, I am curious to see how effective the calling from home programs worked- my experience wasn’t great, I thought I was sounding pathetic on too many answering machines, but Poli, Uncle Fred, and others had good results.
      I think we need to improve our ground game on election day- Republicans always show up, so we take that for granted somewhat. We improved on that in OH, but so did the Democrats, who apparently improved on that as well in FL.

      In General, a good candidate, proved himself worthy of the office. Campaign was good on organizing strategy, but bad on framing the national debate.

      • Arizona CJ on November 7, 2012 at 12:52 am

        I didn’t start out liking Romney – far from it, actually – but I do now, even with what happened. He’s a good man, and America screwed itself.

        • Goonions on November 7, 2012 at 4:50 am

          I agree guys. Regardless of the outcome I think Romney did what he could. Just too many people that want handouts. I keep wondering now that Obama has the victory how many of these people he can shed now. I am sure that he has other things on his agenda besides doling money out to freeloaders. He can use that money to fund more unauthorized wars to replace these crazy stable dictators with islamic nut jobs. The whole middle east under his watch can be just like Libya.

          • Ron on November 7, 2012 at 9:13 pm

            I feel about the same as for Romney being a decent man. I believe his problem stemed from his main theme of jobs and getting everyone a job. Hell, the Obama folks don’t want jobs, that would inolve work. Its best to just wait for the stuff.Hell who wants to work when everythings is given to you?
            The main reason I was so disappointed by the results Tuesday, was the large turn out for Obama and the low turn out for Romney.
            I think I’d rather have had the reason to be massive fraud. At least I wouldn’t feel that as a Nation we were finished.
            I’m also considering the Galt solution.

            Good to see you again RWY…Missed you.

      • Kamimeni on November 7, 2012 at 1:40 pm

        Gerry, how can you say the turnout was effective, when Romney got fewer votes than McCain? Is it possible you were turning out Democrats? Obama lost 11 million votes, and Romney lost 3 million, in a country with higher population. 11 million fewer whites voted. Romney is down 3.6 million white votes vs McCain.

  16. Dan on November 6, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Christie helped Obama. I hope Cory Booker kicks his ass.

  17. Lily on November 6, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined that a man as incompetent and divisive as Obama could be reelected and fairly easily.America will get what it deserves for reelecting him.If you are unemployed on food stamps or have no electricity a week after a huricaine don’t come crying to me.You wanted this President well you got him.I have no faith that the GOP will do any better in four years as they had plenty of money, a good candidate yet couldn’t get the job done against a weak incumbent. As for me I’m going to get on with living I hope to retire shortly as I have no desire to continue to work and support the leeches who voted for Obama.I wonder what the leeches will do when even they realize there is no free lunch.

    • Mildred Smith on November 6, 2012 at 10:13 pm

      How could you not imagine it when the it was all the Dems and the Main Stream Media predicted for a solid year?

      • Gerry Owen on November 6, 2012 at 11:07 pm

        Because we didn’t believe America was that infested with stupid people like you.
        Our mistake.

        • Gerry Owen on November 6, 2012 at 11:08 pm

          My bad, Mildred, I mistook your post for another gloating troll….

          • Goonions on November 7, 2012 at 4:52 am

            The one thing about Obama now is that he owns HIS economy. Be interesting to see what the DOW does tomorrow and what kind of jobs reports we will see now that the data don’t mata.

  18. CenPho on November 6, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    “I wonder what the leeches will do when even they realize there is no free lunch.
    Reply ”

    They’ll blame Bush.

  19. Kamimeni on November 6, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    We were told Romney was a superior candidate who would deliver victory. We were told the Midwest was homogeneously white and would vote Republican. Instead we got a campaign that lost every state in the MidWest as well as Virginia and Florida, could have won by 4 pts nationally and still would have lost. And lost Senate seats in the process. Poli quoted Ann Coulter as to why we should support Romney as the candidate, when he should have listened to Coulter of a year ago who said Romney will lose. OK, her guy was Chris Christie, but at least he would have won.

  20. Shoulda Went With Paul on November 6, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    ‘Nuff said.

    • Anonymous Un-Paultard on November 7, 2012 at 8:32 am

      It would have turned out worse with him.

  21. Rafael on November 6, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Obama’s strategy was successful…getting as many people on the public dole so that they would serve as a key voting block for his election. Having accomplished that, this set of people voted overwhelmingly for Obama. This surprised me. It is now set in motion, and the Poli’s statements above will be true. Power hungry politicians will now bend over backwards for them, walking on egg shells fearing this group.

    Unfortunately, corporations will not be hiring, the poor will increase, college students will not be getting jobs since no one is hiring the unskilled. Any punishment that is perpetrated by the admin against the “rich” will send more people into the throes of poverty. Just take a look at those states that are getting out of the economic morass we’re in. They are mostly conservative.

    One thing upsets me about Romney’ strategy….he did not point out the dire effect on the poor and that THEY would be the ones to suffer disproportionately by Obama’s policies. Energy, regulations, etc. reduce their chance of being employed and increases their cost of living. It pushes them farther downward. WHY DID HE NOT ACCENTUATE THIS AS ONE OF THE RESULTS OF FAILED ECONOMIC POLICY, I don’t know.

    I work at a corporation that has little incentive to hire people in the US. It will not be spending money here. Why didn’t people see this coming. I have relatives who are not fully employed, and they will likely never will be. They don’t have much to bank on. My daughter goes to a prestigious university which now spends 2/3 of its budget on teachers salaries and pension. year after year this institution is spending less money on the group that it is supposed to serve. So what are they going to do? Increase tuition. Sigh.

    IMO, upholding human dignity and integrity is under attack. This is the biggest loss. It is possible that a generation is going to forget what their human calling is. There may be a slight chance that this can be overcome, but with Obama’s win we stand to lose many generations individuals who are kept down because of our government’s overreaching arms.

    I’m not too optimistic, except in the fact that 1/2 the country cannot stand that this has happened. Many liberals voted Obama reluctantly because of the supreme court balance of power. Perhaps there will be an upswell, a recommitment to the values we uphold as true and as expressed in our constitution.

    I won’t talk about the media…I’m disgusted with them. They are complicit in these events.

    There is danger in putting hope in man. Put one’s hope in what is true…teach others these truths and live by them so that others can follow. People need to go beyond causes and issues and vote based on principal and the value of human dignity and self-respect. Let’s hope this happens.

    • Gerry Owen on November 6, 2012 at 10:39 pm

      “Many liberals voted Obama reluctantly because of the supreme court balance of power.”

      Of course they did.
      They have, for years, been abusing the judicial fiat to forward the more unpopular parts of their agenda.

      If you can’t win with ballot or legislative initiatives, find a Judge! If you get BEAT on ballot or Legislative intiatives Find a Judge!

      Let’s face it- we are hosed as a country. There is no route, that I can see, back to the what the framers of the constitution intended that doesn’t involve something outlandish like a coup or civil war, and that would weaken us further in the world and set a bad precedent. Once the guys with the big guns start taking over, they tend to like it.

      Poli is right. I only hope the decline is slow enough my kids will be able to make a successful career at chili’s or whatever industry is open for them when the graduate college.

      But I doubt it.

      • Rafael on November 6, 2012 at 11:11 pm

        My wife is generally optimistic. She is quite down tonite…more than I thought she would be. she is perceptive, much moreso than I. I begrudgingly agree with you, Gerry. I doubt there is way out, let along a route back to the the foundational principles of our government.

    • radioone on November 8, 2012 at 3:55 am

      “Unfortunately, corporations will not be hiring”

      Boeing, just announced it would cut 30% of management jobs from 2010 levels.

  22. Gerry Owen on November 6, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    Posted this on another site, thought it would be fitting here as well:

    Democracy with rule of law respecting property is merely two foxes and a chicken voting on what is for dinner. A little deeper analogy:
    Obama and the Progressive Left have forged a winning coalition of those who want free chicken, and those progressive elites who think it will be cool to use the power of the government to sieze the chickens and serve themup to them.
    Our coalition- the farmer and the Chickens, who wanted to sell eggs and maybe expand into the Dairy farm or Pork industries, loses.

  23. Dan on November 6, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Kamimeni-I can’t see anyone else doing better. Of the people who ran.

    • Gerry Owen on November 6, 2012 at 11:04 pm

      We needed a champion. Romney came with vision, hope, and a belief in the greatness of America.
      Unfortunately, the electorate wants free condoms and cell phones.

      • Rafael on November 6, 2012 at 11:19 pm

        Romney did not clearly articulate the impact of O’s policies on the people…there was no sense of any personal threat, but in fact there was and is. He just said “do you want 4 more years of the same policies?” That’s a weak argument. You can’t gather people around your vision if they are unclear whether O’s vision would work or not. obama stated, “we are headed in the right direction” and people believed him because Romney did not scare them enough with the truth about Obama’s policies.

        • Gerry Owen on November 6, 2012 at 11:50 pm

          Well stated, Rafael.
          I didn’t pick up on that, because I am an educated voter who pays more attention to this crap than most.
          The average voter doesn’t care until a few weeks before the election- they usually come into that period with an “they all suck” attitude if things are bad or an “I’m good” view if things are running well. Romney’s argument was lacking in specifics, rather than just statistics.

    • Kamimeni on November 6, 2012 at 11:44 pm

      In football, you should decide whether to go for it on 4th down based on what does your opponent want you to do. They were scared of Herman Cain to the point of sending Gloria Allred up to flush him out.

      Rick Santorum could have won, winning Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan. Would have also taken the fight to Obama. He would have lost single women, suburban moderates, but that hasn’t helped Romney here.

  24. Robert on November 6, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Poli, I owe you a huge apology – I really, genuinely believed that Romney was the one, he was the perfect antidote to Obama. He was smart, business savvy, he could work the center while keeping the conservatives with him, he was non-threatening to minorities and upper middle class RINOs that voted for Obama in 2008 and at the same time he was palatable to the Evangelical Christians who stayed home. In effect, I thought your negative take on his candidacy was a problem of vision, that you couldn’t see how right he was for the time – there was a problem of vision, alright, and it was mine. I was blinded by what I wanted to see, blinded by hubris, blinded by the thought that the average American was smart enough to figure it out, that they were paying attentiong. Well they aren’t, they weren’t and we got what’s coming to us because our standard bearer was a “nice guy” when we needed a thrench fighter.

    America is done. I know it, you know it, it’s just a matter of time before people start to figure it out, but by the time they do it’ll be too late. America was a nice idea, but the Euro-Socialist state we’re going to become in the next four years will be nothing like the America we remember as children. America is done. God Bless her, and keep her, ever present in our memmories, and may we one day see her like again, but America is done.

    Now I’m going to go have a very large drink and try and figure out where I’m moving to, because there’s no more home for us here.

    • basokla on November 6, 2012 at 11:36 pm

      You aren’t the only John Galt tonight.

      Some of us will just be more sneaky about it.

  25. IP727 on November 6, 2012 at 11:30 pm



    • Michael Tisch on November 7, 2012 at 4:42 am

      Still waiting for the Bradley Effect to kick in?

  26. Herman on November 6, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Don’t look now, conservatives, but…


    That’s got to sting. Stings real bad, huh?

    Deal with it. Deal with it now, deal with it every single day for the rest of your lives.

    • basokla on November 6, 2012 at 11:38 pm

      So I guess you are going to the chapel tomorrow. Yes?

    • IP727 on November 6, 2012 at 11:43 pm

      suck dicks much??

      • Gerry Owen on November 6, 2012 at 11:54 pm

        that deserves a rim shot- pardon the double entendre

    • Lily on November 6, 2012 at 11:56 pm

      Thanks to Obama Gays can also serve in the military. You do understand the draft is coming back once the people you hate stop volunteering for military service.

    • Alex from Stroh's on November 7, 2012 at 12:04 am

      So did pot in CO for recreational use. Should make for an interesting states rights battle.

    • Goonions on November 7, 2012 at 4:55 am

      Herman, have you ever summoned up enough brain power to think about how silly it is for two men or two women to marry? Yep, you people are strange. You pople can’t even figure out basic human anatomy.

  27. Kamimeni on November 6, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    When you are weeping about the end of America, don’t forget about your role in that process, pushing a candidate who was not a conservative, and not a good campaigner. Final debate he was agreeing with Obama. 2nd debate he said he wasn’t interested in deporting people.

    • basokla on November 6, 2012 at 11:55 pm

      Spare me this crap. Name someone who would have done better. And I swear, if you say Ron Paul I will hunt you down and pour a milk shake on your pointy little head.

      Or you’re just a handout troll. And if so. Please go die tonight.

      • Lynx and hares on November 7, 2012 at 12:11 am

        handout troll

        The red states are on the dole. Conservative can never come to grips with the fact that the greatness of the USA economy is carried on the shoulders of the blue states.

        Free stuff? Don’t look further than the nearest red state.

        • Gerry Owen on November 7, 2012 at 12:28 am

          Get bent.
          The military bases are down here because land is cheap and we actually LIKE the people who serve, because they are predominately from Red States or have conservative values.

          That, plus the fact that snowbirds flee the oppressive cost of living they face in the north bring their SS dollars (and Medicare), is a lot of the difference.

          We would happily trade your dependence on Gov’t for more freedom to live our lives and control our own destinies.

          It is you and your ilk’s desire to control, and be controlled, by the great leader that is the real problem.

          We would be just fine here in TX if the Government would get the hell out of our way and our local business.

  28. IP727 on November 6, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    No repub can win when half the sheeple are on the dole of some sort.
    We are outnumbered by the drones, and no candidate can overcome that.

    • Alex from Stroh's on November 7, 2012 at 12:13 am

      We’re past the point of no return, not to anything recognizable anyway.

    • Lynx and hares on November 7, 2012 at 12:14 am

      Start with the red states.

      Oh, nevermind, the red states like the free stuff from the blue states.

      • basokla on November 7, 2012 at 12:38 am

        Idiot. And that is being kind.

        • Lynx and hares on November 7, 2012 at 4:27 am

          Uh, no, the red states are moochers, do the math.

  29. Herman on November 7, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Harry Reid thanks you, conservatives, for the reactionary crackpots you had running for Senate. You would rather lose Senate seats than come up with candidates with some semblance of sanity.



    Say goodbye to Mitt, his flip-flops, his greed, his insincerity, and his lies. Might be wise in the future, conservatives, to not select candidates who strap dogs to the roofs of cars.

    Say goodbye to Allen West. Florida finally disapproved of his torture.

    Say goodbye to the Macaca Man of Virginia.

    Say goodbye to Scott Brown. No reason for Massachusetts to have a Republican Senator — it ain’t no Alabama or Mississippi.

  30. Lynx and hares on November 7, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Ebb and flood. Lynx and hares.

    After 2008 the disenfranchised formed the Tea Party. That wave of anger brought the huge reversal in the mid term election, 2010.

    Now, in 2012 we are seeing the rebellion against the batshit crazy of the far right, and the ebb of the Tea Party.

    Conservatives cannot abide a Dem in the White House, they freak out and generally don’t participate in the economy, and we will see this anger in 2014.

    Ebb and flood. Lynx and hare.

    Unless, of course, the right stops sitting on their hands and participates in the economy. In 2008 all the folks here ran out and bought ammo and gold. Not good for America. This year go out and buy something that helps America, money exchanging hands, it is patriotic.

    • Gerry Owen on November 7, 2012 at 12:35 am

      Come on down, bring some friends! We can use up that ammo and buy more local.
      Why the HELL would I participate in an economy when the Govt is going to take all my profit?
      I am expected to bust my ass to support those who do not?I already support my family and loved ones. I already give to charities and volunteer to help others in plight.
      Piss off.

      The number of willing hosts will slowly dry up for you leeches.
      Enjoy your Obamaphones while you can.

  31. Lynx and hares on November 7, 2012 at 12:17 am

    Huge missed opportunity in nominating two liars.

    They didn’t fool America.

    • Gerry Owen on November 7, 2012 at 12:41 am

      The only missed opportunity was for you to get a clue.
      Enjoy the decline, be proud of your part in ruining the greatest country the world has seen.

      Be sure to tell your kids the part you played- nothing like saddling the next generation with a $200k or so per capita debt load so you can have a free phone and sit on your ass and play angry birds.

      Forward? yeah. Over the cliff.

      • Lynx and hares on November 7, 2012 at 4:25 am

        Romney would only have made it worse.

        • Goonions on November 7, 2012 at 4:57 am

          Well now, we get to see what your man can now do with HIS economy.

  32. Lily on November 7, 2012 at 12:58 am

    I looked at the popular vote totals and Obama actually got fewer votes in 2012 (54+ mil) then McCain got in 2008 (58+ mil). Where did these voters go? I suspect there will be even fewer votes in 2016 with the continuing decline under Obama.

    • Tobias on November 21, 2012 at 12:32 pm

      getting a DSLR book is DEFINITELY one of my goal’s this month. my camera is too new for any books splcaficiely on that model, but i need to pick up something! i also need to be better about getting it OUTSIDE and taking pretty pictures!:) good luck with your goals!

  33. Peter on November 7, 2012 at 1:38 am

    I sure am glad I convinced my son not to join the military. As for my business, fortunately it is a C-corp, so I don’t have to take money out if I don’t need it. The priorities for the next few years: Diversify production out of the country, keep new employees to part time. Automation.
    America is unfortunately going to be just another european basket case. It will muddle along until there is an external shock of some kind, then fragment. I would advise those in the productive class to take an inventory of their assets and make a plan. No need to berate the stupid among us. They can defeat a republican but reality is a different animal all together.
    Buckle up.

  34. ken_phd on November 7, 2012 at 2:43 am


    I guess it had to happen at some point. The inmates have taken over the asylum. Disappointing but not unexpected.

    I have read a lot of good comments but most posters haven’t touched on the foreign policy implications.

    The lesson of Benghazi is that Obama cannot be counted on. (If he wouldn’t even support his own people, why would he come to the aid of an ally?) This lesson is surely not lost on Israel. They are alone now waiting for a madman to develop a bomb that will wipe them off the map. I expect them to act soon without warning (and without consulting the US).

    Damned if they do, damned if they don’t

    • Lynx and hares on November 7, 2012 at 4:26 am

      Romney would only have made it worse. With respect to foreign policy the voters made a superb choice.

      • Goonions on November 7, 2012 at 5:01 am

        Yeah, that “Arab Spring” is working out really well. We keep that up and the whole middle east will be an Al Qaeda playground. You party of the women types tell that to the ladies over there being beat by their husbands.

  35. vinnie on November 7, 2012 at 4:43 am

    Dear Polipundit,

    I understand your feelings, and will undoubtedly have some of them from time to time. I want to thank you deeply for what you did on Mitt’s behalf, and for this website Polipundit.

    Remember, the Congress is controlled by Republicans and that will put a limit on how much damage he can do in the next 4 years.

    When you recover from the disappointment, continue your good work. This is not over, despite how it feels right now.

    • IP727 on November 7, 2012 at 4:53 am

      Only in the house, and they are weak dicks to begin with

      • Ron on November 7, 2012 at 9:47 pm

        Yeah and Boehner is already giving in to Obama and has indicated that tax increases are possible. Now, there is the real problem with Republicans, they are controlled by progressive RINOs.

    • Rda on November 7, 2012 at 5:58 am

      No. It is completely over.

  36. Setnaffa on November 7, 2012 at 4:54 am

    2 Timothy 4:1-5

    New International Version (NIV)

    In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

    • Goonions on November 7, 2012 at 5:03 am

      Amen! I really thought we had made a serious moral choice for the bad when we reelected Bill Clinton for a second term. That one pales in comparison to this one. I think we just went off the cliff morally.

  37. Bonaparte on November 7, 2012 at 5:35 am

    Htf did Romney (with this pissed off Electorate) manage 10% fewer votes than McCain/NBA groupie whore did in 2008???

    • Basokla on November 7, 2012 at 6:23 am

      Negative advertising over the summer was intended to limit GOP turnout.

      Along with advancing the story that BHO would win anyway. Even going in to yesterday the majority still thought he would win regardless of who they were voting for.

  38. Lyle on November 7, 2012 at 5:40 am

    Hmm. Maybe that Nate silver guy is not a hack.

  39. Earl on November 7, 2012 at 5:46 am

    Well I had hoped that we could have held off the enemy at the gates for a few more election cycles, but apparently its not to be. We have reached the tipping point where the takers can now dictate to the makers with force of law. We are in a death spiral and things will get infinitely worse before they get better. Great empires rise and fall, and will continue to do so until the end of time. We are witnessing the beginning of the fall of the American empire. Those who support the system will continue to dwindle as the makers get tired of carrying an ever increasing load. The economy will deteriorate under the massive weight of debt and we will continue to rob necessary expenditures to support the welfare state. The military will be reduced to a vestige of itself as the insatiable demand for free social services spirals out of control. The only answer will be to print money to feed the monster causing hyper inflation, but that is a fool’s fix. Think this is all over the top? Google Weimar Germany. Think it cant happen here? Better think again.

  40. RedStateGal on November 7, 2012 at 6:42 am

    I think Gov. Romney is a moral man. God has not turned his back on America; America has turned its back on God. Thus, we head in the wilderness to wander until we repent. Meantime, look after your family, and keep your family close together and close to God.

    • satted on November 7, 2012 at 7:01 am

      The best statement I’ve read thus far. God will take care of His, he always does. Worry not, pray and keep the faith. God wins in the end.

  41. RedStateGal on November 7, 2012 at 6:43 am

    Also, thank you, Poli! You did good work this election season.

  42. Setnaffa on November 7, 2012 at 7:07 am

    look at Bill Whittle’s latest on Youtube…

  43. Trent Telenko on November 7, 2012 at 7:10 am


    Get a grip. The fight is not over.

    The terms of engagement have changed because Republicans nominated a candidate who ran a poor presidential campaign.

  44. Dan on November 7, 2012 at 7:35 am

    It is the black Democrat voters in Red states that skew the percentages on the dole,like in Mississippi,Louisiana. Or the Katriana Trash in Texas.
    I hear their is a storm headed for NYC/Jersey. Please,make it a doozy. And please,please,give the midwestern states like Wisconsin,Michigan,Iowa a terrible winter.

  45. Kamimeni on November 7, 2012 at 7:44 am

    So Romney got 100,000 fewer votes than McCain in Ohio? Where’d the votes go? McCain’s total +15000 was enough to win Ohio. Obama is down 150,000 votes in Florida, and Romney is up only 40,000 . Obama down 100,000 votes in Virginia, Romney up 20,000.

    A certain un-rino paulbot told us that the exit polls during the Wisconsin recall showed Romney losing by 7. He was banned as a troll.

  46. vinnie on November 8, 2012 at 4:52 am

    Please don’t give up on America. God has not given up on America. This country has been in bigger trouble than this a number of times before, and has come back. We will do it again.

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