No to the NIGHTMARE Act

June 15, 2012
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Let me clear: Any Republican who supports the NIGHTMARE Act will get the same implacable opposition from me that I stuck to with George W. Bush, Dick Lugar, Rick Perry, and many other politicians who destroyed their careers by supporting illegal immigration.

Yes, I would support primarying Marco Rubio because of this. And, if Mitt Romney turns against America on immigration, I will not vote for him. I didn’t vote for McCain in 2008.

61 Responses to No to the NIGHTMARE Act

  1. anonymous un-RINO on June 15, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    Save it, PoliRINO. You’ve been a squealing little schoolgirl cheerleader for your boy Willard, the lying progressive crapweasel, who has ALWAYS been an open borders freak, and unfettered immigration nutjob. You were just stupid enough to believe his lies to the contrary. He AGREED with Gingrich in those debates, PoliRINO.

  2. Jim on June 15, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Now if we can just get all non whites expelled from the country things will really go right.

    • ATTILA on June 16, 2012 at 6:14 am

      It’s about the rule of law numbnuts, not about race.
      Spare us your phony race card bullshit. That dog won’t hunt.
      A large majority 75% opposes amnesty for valid reasons.

    • Evan3457 on June 17, 2012 at 7:52 am

      Thanks for the laugh, Moby.

  3. James on June 15, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    You forgot Ronald Reagen who actually signed an amnesty bill. Bush did not.

    • itsagreatcountry on June 15, 2012 at 7:09 pm

      Except that Bush wanted more than anything to sign that bill. Unlike Reagan, who was promised the moon, and even then wasn’t thrilled about it. Not that I’m giving him any credit. He should have known that promises in Congress are never kept. As for Bush, well, there was his wonderful pro-American remark “See you at the signing” (of the amnesty bill, after Americans had loudly said NO weighing in on the subject and burning up the telephone lines into the White House). Now there’s truly a traitor to his country and his people. Any respect I ever had for him evaporated instantly. What a creep.

  4. itsagreatcountry on June 15, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Rubio is beyond a doubt hugely responsible for Obama’s move. If he had kept his big mouth shut, Obama probably would have been content to let sleeping dogs lie. But that anti-American scoundrel Rubio, who has been doing this all his legislative life, much of it in Florida (and probably in cahoots with his stuplid mentor Jeb Bush), has just thrown a hatchet into something which might have just solved itself in quite a different way. Romney had taken a principled stand, but now will probably do something stupid and pi$$ off the rest of America. And all the dumb, gullible conservatives who got such a ‘thrill up their leg” over this jerk, and wouldn’t hear a word against him, are equally to blame.

  5. MikeN on June 15, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    This has nothing to do with Rubio. This move was announced last August. I didn’t realize that this was the same thing, just with an announcement from the President, rather than a quiet memo from Janet. I’ve been telling you that amnesty is the defacto law of the land right now, Romney wouldn’t do anything to change that.

    Yet you all whined that Perry was horrible on the issue and Romney was great.

    • itsagreatcountry on June 16, 2012 at 1:23 pm

      That’s my whole point, Mike. Romney had taken a principled stand. He was saying little to nothing about illegal immigration. As a matter of fact, was appealing to Hispanics on the basis of jobs and the economy. Then our little friend Rubio, who is the biggest liar around, finally showed his true colors, which he hid during the Senatorial campaign and shortly thereafter, bellyaching about the DREAMers and their “needs”. And although I am not completely convinced that Romney knew nothing about all this, I would still take him over that rat Perry. Imagine telling Americans who are struggling to send their kids to college that you’re “heartless” if you don’t want to subsidize the college education of illegals. They shouldn’t even be allowed in our colleges and universities. And Perry got what he deserved.

  6. MikeN on June 15, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Hey, Poli, weren’t you telling us that you supported Romney because he would annihilate the Democrats? Now you won’t even vote for him? You would rather Obama win reelection, the one who has the same policy on this issue?

  7. MikeN on June 15, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Who would have suspected that a wealthy businessman who is from the Wall Street wing of the party would support amnesty, outsourcing, and free trade?
    Next time you want to support a businessman who is against amnesty, try a black businessman.

  8. MikeN on June 15, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Since I’ve all but endorsed Mitt Romney for president, I might as well come out and say it: I’m officially endorsing him.

    Two reasons:

    1. He is the strongest candidate on illegal immigration. Period.

    No one else will commit to supporting E-Verify, or completing the border fence. Romney is so strong on this issue that Tom Tancredo endorsed him in 2008, and Ann Coulter endorsed him this year because of his immigration stance.

    Immigration is the critical issue for America’s future. Without ending illegal immigration, America will turn into California, and we can say goodbye to American culture and values forever.

    2. “What is best in life? To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, to hear the lamentation of their women.”

    I want to annihilate the Democrat party in 2012. I want them to lose 10 or more Senate seats, lose some House seats, lose governorships, lose state legislatures, lose city council races… I want their entire farm teams for future elections wiped out.

    I want Democrats to refer to 2012 as the nakba, the catastrophe.

    Romney gives us the best hope of doing that. With him at the top of the ticket, our candidates down-ballot can focus on their campaigns, their messages.

    Here in Washington state, Rob McKenna could be elected governor. I’d love to see that.

    And I’m not worried about Romney’s ideology. Sure, he appeared to be liberal; but that was in Massachusetts, the most liberal state in the country! Of course he had to say and do what it took to win there!

    Bill Clinton’s record as Arkansas governor doesn’t mean he’s a conservative. Romney’s record as Massachusetts governor doesn’t mean he’s a liberal.

    Romney is a family man, a Mormon Elder, and a successful businessman. He has about as much in common with the Harvard Faculty Lounge as he does with a newt. With a strongly conservative Congress to back him up, we can reshape America for decades to come.

    2012 presents us with a unique opportunity to pound the Democrats into talcum powder. I want to do just that.

    But I won’t vote for Romney if he supports limited amnesty for people who came to America when they were kids.

  9. JimMtnViewCaUSA on June 15, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Living in CA, I have the option of ignoring the Pres race.
    My vote won’t matter.
    If Mitt comes out for amnesty, I can walk away.

  10. Evan3457 on June 16, 2012 at 12:54 am

    I told you Romney wasn’t serious about what he was saying about immigration. I told you he would turn as soon as he got the nomination. You should’ve believed me.

  11. ATTILA on June 16, 2012 at 6:16 am

    If romney is dumb enough to pick rubio,he deserves to lose.

    • R U in the tank for the RINO Keynesians?? on June 16, 2012 at 11:07 am

      i for once, agree w/Attila

    • itsagreatcountry on June 16, 2012 at 1:28 pm

      I too agree. I just wish my fellow Floridians had done a little vetting of this charlatan. FLIMEN (Floridians for Immigration Enforcement) visited local Republican Parties and tried to get them to endorse someone else. But I think the fix was in. I don’t know whether Jeb had much influence or not, but after Floridians practically kicked Mel Martinez out of the Senate for co-writing McCain’s amnesty bill, we replaced him with “Little Mel”, as I called him, practically a carbon copy of Martinez. Ugh.

  12. anonymous un-RINO on June 16, 2012 at 6:57 am

    You really do have to give credit to the Obamabot campaign shysters. They’re workmanlike and focused. They know who they’re dealing with, in Willard, and this move is directly targeted at that crapweasel, and his crapweaselness.

    Nothing’s changed here for the Obamabots. They’re simply doing their usual race pimping, same as they’ve been doing for a loooong time. Nothing’s changed for them, they just amplify their race pimping as required, where required. The message stays the same, it’s just focused on a different segment of race pimping, based upon their strategy of making Willard implode. Today it’s La Raza.

    And the Obamabots know Willard is going to grovel along behind them and genuflect to La Raza like the lying progressive that he is. He’s going to instantly announce that he’s in support of DREAM, and cut loose a whole segment of the electorate in the process.

    What a moron this Willard clown is. RINOs are the stupidest people on this planet, bar none.

  13. ken_phd on June 16, 2012 at 8:11 am

    anonymous un-RINO:

    If Romney accepts the the DREAM act and the executive order from Obama, he will have learned nothing from all the months of debate and primaries. It will be his Harriet Miers moment. I don’t think Romney can dodge this issue. If he tries to dance around this, he’ll look weaker and weaker.

    Obama, ironically, has done the conservatives a big favor.

  14. MikeN on June 16, 2012 at 8:15 am

    >if Mitt Romney turns against America on immigration, I will not vote for him.

    I just assumed you were pretending that Romney was strong on immigration. However, you actually believed it? I’m laughing like the guy on the wire to the police captain who thought he would become chief of police.

  15. ken_phd on June 16, 2012 at 8:27 am

    MikerN:

    “I just assumed you were pretending that Romney was strong on immigration.”

    If Romney wants to be president he’ll have to come out against Obama on the immigration issue. Otherwise, I think his campaign is over. This isn’t the only hurdle on the list. Obama will try to bring up every issue that will pit one group against another. Romney must turn this issue against Obama.

  16. anonymous un-RINO on June 16, 2012 at 8:54 am

    It’s too late, because yesterday, Willard INSTANTLY announced he wanted legislation to implement DREAM. Willard wants what La Raza wants.

    It’s too late. Willard has already imploded on this issue.

    Those of us who always understood what Willard was knew that he was a lying crapweasel, and would do what he’s historically done, and go full-on progressive at the slightest opportunity. You saw that yesterday, when his first response was to come out for DREAM, after it had been rejected in the Congress previously.

    Willard hates this country, no less than Obambi hates it. He’s out to reshape it, just like his soulmate Obambi. He’s a progressive, just like Obambi.

    The Obamabots read their man perfectly. They knew they could fracture Willard’s support, by preying on his crapweaselness, and they executed their strategy perfectly.

    Yes, the stupid RINOs are still going to vote for Willard. They’d vote for Fidel Castro, if he had a little “R” after his name. And now, Willard will go hunting for La Raza voters, because he’s just shed a bunch of we conservatives.

    Congratulations, RINOs. You got your man. Enjoy.

  17. ken_phd on June 16, 2012 at 9:06 am

    anonymous un-RINO:

    “It’s too late. Willard has already imploded on this issue.”

    I didn’t read it quite the same as you did.

    Congress makes the laws. The president is supposed to enforce the laws. That’s the way the constitution is written.

    If Romney comes put and and “if Congress passes a law to allow allow illegal immigrants to stay in this country, then I’ll enforce it. Until then, my views on the issue are secondary”.

    What Obama has done is to slide by the constitution on what his duties are. Romney must make the case that Obama is bypassing the constitution. Otherwise, as you said, it’s over for Romney.

  18. Mike on June 16, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Let’s be smart, not righteous. The House should stress this was an illegal act, but accept this policy, put it into law with the addition of mandatory e-verify for all jobs in USA. Then challenge Reid to put it up for a vote. He won’t, but it will give Republicans cover and let us get back to talking about the economy.

  19. anonymous un-RINO on June 16, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Willard already came out and called for Congress to pass DREAM. Yesterday.

    It’s over. What you’re saying you’re waiting for has already occurred. Willard came out and CALLED for DREAM, just as his La Raza buddies wanted him to do.

    Yesterday. So the waiting is over as of today.

    This guy is a lying progressive crapweasel, and we just witnessed instance number 4,788 of it. Many of us understood it after the first couple thousand instances, but I guess the RINOs might require another few thousand examples. There’s 4-5 months ’til November, so they’ll likely get them.

  20. ATTILA on June 16, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Romney: hypothetical response to numbnuts amnesty ploy.

    I am dissapointed that numbnuts our president
    has decided to bypass congress and the will of the people
    by arbitrarily choosing not to enforce our immigration laws, thereby placing a greater burden upon American job seekers, who will be adversely effected by this administrative power grab.

    • R U in the tank for the RINO Keynesians?? on June 16, 2012 at 11:10 am

      yes, but will Mittens have the BALLS to say something like this? Frankly, I would hope he would say something bolder than what you propose, Attila.

      • R U in the tank for the RINO Keynesians?? on June 16, 2012 at 11:11 am

        … and make a convincing, passionate argument that he really means it.

  21. ken_phd on June 16, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    R U in the tank for the RINO Keynesians??

    This is decision time for Romney. He’ll have to take a stand. Let’s see if he’s learned anything.

    • itsagreatcountry on June 16, 2012 at 1:32 pm

      I still believe that his staff believed that taking the stand he did on illegal immigration was the right thing. Just think how many Americans are already enraged, and are going to be enraged over this. I believe he knows he will lose more votes than he will gain by pandering like this. This is the time to be inventive, and to find a way to say NO while appearing to be saying YES. Got my fingers crossed.

    • itsagreatcountry on June 16, 2012 at 1:57 pm

      Excuse me, but I think I said it slightly wrong: Actually I believe Romney now has to reassure Americans that he doesn’t go along with this — without being blatant and insulting. And I don’t think he has really come out and said he endorses this idea. He’s being very noncommittal.

      And so far as the “this has nothing to do with Rubio” comment. It has EVERYTHING to do with him. Obama had already said he couldn’t do this by executive order. And he already had Hispanics in his back pocket. He was forced into this by the dummy Republicans (RINO variety) who think they have to pander to keep up. And Rubio and his friend Jeb are the worst of them. Rubio forced Obama’s hand, giving us this monstrosity we are facing now. Thanks, Marco. You jerk. Of course, it’s what HE wants anyway.

      • anonymous un-RINO on June 16, 2012 at 2:45 pm

        It’s what Willard wants as well. That’s why he asked for DREAM legislation yesterday.

        Willard wants to execute the La Raza agenda, just like his soulmate Obambi.

        • itsagreatcountry on June 16, 2012 at 4:01 pm

          anon, I don’t pay any attention to what you say. I have no idea what you wanted for America, but as far as I am concerned, so many people Dem & Repub alike, are poison on illegal immigration, that I believe Romney was and probably still is, the best hope. You can go fly a kite. You have no credibility anyway, with all the nonsense comments you have made over time.

          • anonymous un-RINO on June 16, 2012 at 4:35 pm

            Well, you keep reading them… and whining… and cheerleading for Willard the crapweasel, butthurt RINO. ;-)

  22. MikeN on June 16, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    I think Romney will pivot a few more times. He will say he is against amnesty, and perhaps that dong this by executive order is improper. But he will eventually pivot back and support the Dream Act again.

    Ken, you are not paying attention to what Romney has said. He said he will look to Congress to solve this problem for these people in a permanent way. I doubt that permanent way he is referring to is to deport them.

    • anonymous un-RINO on June 17, 2012 at 5:25 am

      Of COURSE Willard supports DREAM. He said as much 5 months ago, when he AGREED with Gingrich in those debates. I tried to explain that to the RINO morons on this site the morning after that debate, that that’s what this crapweasel had said, but the idiots were/are too RINO stupid to get it.

      And then, as if enacting that portion of the La Raza agenda wasn’t enough, the lying crapweasel went into that Puerto Rico primary and called for the US to become a bilingual country, as he was attacking Santorum for pushing English only.

      And now, he’s called for DREAM outright in the general campaign. Not even a stupid RINO dolt can miss this.

      Check Cruz’ statements in Texas, if you want to see what a conservative patriot has to say about illegal immigration. Willard hates this country, much like his soulmate Obambi, and it’s impossible for such progressives to speak like Cruz.

  23. ken_phd on June 17, 2012 at 7:16 am

    anonymous un-RINO

    “And now, he’s called for DREAM outright in the general campaign”

    I guess I missed that statement by Romney. Could you supply a link? Thanks.

    • MikeN on June 17, 2012 at 8:40 am

      Is Special Report available online? They carried Romney’s response. It was saying the executive order doesn’t give a permanent solution, and leaves uncertainty for the people in question. If you want to be hopeful, you can think that Romney was calling for deportation, which would give certainty.

  24. anonymous un-RINO on June 17, 2012 at 7:26 am

    …so you’re going to play the RINO semantics game, huh?

    Willard the crapweasel calling for legislation for a “long term solution” that helps these poor DREAMers, but that isn’t calling for DREAM outright. Gotcha.

    I guess it depends on what your definition of the word “is” is.

    Oh, and “no controlling legal authority” is likely in-play as well, just to put the algore defense on the table.

    This is why we conservatives despise RINOs. They do the exact same things the Left does.

  25. anonymous un-RINO on June 17, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Rubio wants DREAM, Willard wants Rubio’s DREAM, but Willard isn’t in favor of DREAM.

    You RINOs are a piece of work, I tell you.

    • Evan3457 on June 17, 2012 at 7:54 am

      Everything un-RINO says about Romney in regard to immigration is correct. I wish it weren’t true, but it is.

  26. ken_phd on June 17, 2012 at 8:13 am

    anonymous un-RINO:

    Yes I read his response to Obama’s signing order. I considered it evasive (as most would) to avoid alienating any group with a statement that the MSM would put on Page 1. You consider that to be a dumb political move? I don’t.

    I don’t play semantic games. You have a bad habit of accusing others of that tactic. I believe that counterproductive.

  27. anonymous un-RINO on June 17, 2012 at 9:49 am

    You have a bad habit of both playing semantic games and then whining like a butthurt RINO when called on it. That’s counterproductive to anything conservative, not that you’d know much about conservative.

  28. anonymous un-RINO on June 17, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Oh and fyi, RINO, senate candidate Cruz in Texas, the home of illegal alien snuggling RINOism, evidently isn’t as politically smart as you RINOs and your boy Willard the crapweasel. I guess you RINOs can all frolic at his stupidity, as is your wont.

    I’m always amused at you RINOs’ definition of “smart politics”. You blather on and on about your “smart politics”, and yet you RINOs are truly the STUPIDEST people ALIVE re politics.

  29. anonymous un-RINO on June 17, 2012 at 9:58 am

    I mean you RINOs are ROCK STUPID.

  30. ken_phd on June 17, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    anonymous un-RINO:

    Something doesn’t seem quite right with you. You’re not for any particular candidate as far as I can tell but then you proceed to call everyone a RINO on this site. What’s up with that?

    I am beginning to think you are a troll in disguise. None of your posts are designed to build anyone up, just to tear someone down. So it appears you are not trying to persuade anyone to change, just to discourage debate.

    Until you can support a GOP candidate (take your pick) I will have to treat you as a troll.

    Playtime is over.

  31. anonymous un-RINO on June 17, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    No, I don’t call everybody a RINO, just you RINOs. And especially you butthurt RINOs whimpering along behind my posts.

    You can treat me any way you’d like, RINO. Playtime is every day for a RINO dolt like you.

    And son, we conservatives don’t “support GOP candidates”. That’s what you stupid RINOs do, and congratulations for self identifying so nicely.

    We conservatives support conservatives. You RINOs support any stinking pile of dogshit with a little “R” after it, which is why you reflexively started fantasizing above in support of your DREAM loving pile of dogshit Willard.

    You need to separate yourself from your lefty soulmates and stop whimpering like them, RINO.

  32. ken_phd on June 17, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    anonymous un-RINO:

    Troll.

  33. anonymous un-RINO on June 17, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Oh and you might want to scroll up about 2 posts, you RINO dolt, wherein you’ll find me supporting a conservative candidate, as we conservatives are wont to do.

    Not that you’re intelligent enough to scroll, or count to 2, or comprehend what you’re reading. But just in case.

    You RINO dolt.

  34. anonymous un-RINO on June 17, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    RINO dolt.

  35. ken_phd on June 17, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    anonymous un-RINO:

    Who’s your GOP candidate, troll?

  36. anonymous un-RINO on June 17, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Stop whining, butthurt RINO.

  37. ken_phd on June 17, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    anonymous un-RINO:

    Clever ruse, I must say. It’s the same technique I might use on the Daily Kos site, if I had the time. Join in the discussion and be an extremist while disparaging everyone.

    You’ve been outed.

    Go back and get a real job.

  38. anonymous un-RINO on June 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Stop whining, you butthurt RINO.

  39. anonymous un-RINO on June 17, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Your Willardian DREAM apologia sorta reminds me of when you got pwn&d over Zimbabwe Ben’s monetary insanity, RINO. That was pretty fun, too.

    Stop whining, you RINO dolt.

  40. itsagreatcountry on June 18, 2012 at 6:50 am

    Well, anon, it’s really a hoot to see you talking to yourself and agreeing with yourself ad infinitum. Keep it up. It adds a little comic relief to the situation.

    But to Ken and others trying to analyze the situation legitimately, I think Romney’s just trying to calm the waters by saying very little. But when he talks about “legislation” for DREAMers, and it seems he’s in their corner (which he may be, due to the “humanitarian” angle – barf!), that may mean he wants to hand it to the legislature. Which means it would be subject to everything other DREAM Acts have faced, and have failed. Do you know how many DREAM Acts, national and state, have been introduced and knocked down in this country? They are many. People don’t want it. So the best hope is that Romney is convinced that proper legislation is the way to handle it, and the Congress critters will do the right thing by their voting constituents. Wishful thinking, I know, but possible.

  41. we conservatives on June 18, 2012 at 7:14 am

    ‘Something doesn’t seem quite right with you. You’re not for any particular candidate as far as I can tell but then you proceed to call everyone a RINO on this site….

    I am beginning to think you are a troll in disguise. None of your posts are designed to build anyone up, just to tear someone down. So it appears you are not trying to persuade anyone to change, just to discourage debate.

    Until you can support a GOP candidate (take your pick) I will have to treat you as a troll’

    He never will, ken. He’s not so much a troll as a raving lunatic.
    Some of us have been saying that for a long time.

  42. we conservatives on June 18, 2012 at 7:15 am

    There is essentially no difference between anonymous crank and acroso.

  43. anonymous un-RINO on June 18, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Welcome back! I missed your brand of whimpering, butthurt RINO sockpuppet. ;-)

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