Proved: The Zimmerman prosecution has NOTHING

April 20, 2012
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From the transcript of today’s bail hearing:

[Zimmerman's lawyer] O’MARA: Zimmerman confronted Martin, those words. Where did you get that from?

[Prosecutor's investigator] GILBREATH: That was from the fact that the two of them obviously ended up together in that dog walk area. According to one of the witnesses that we talked with, there were arguing words going on before this incident occurred. But it was between two people.

O’MARA: Which means they met. I’m just curious with the word confronted and what evidence you have to support an affidavit you want in this judge to rely on that these facts with true and you use the word confronted. And I want to know your evidence to support the word confronted if you have any.

GILBREATH: Well, it’s not that I have one. I probably could have used dirty words.

O’MARA: It is antagonistic word, would you agree?

GILBREATH: It could be considered that, yes.

O’MARA: Come up with words that are not antagonistic, met, came up to, spoke with.

GILBREATH: Got in physical confrontation with.

O’MARA: But you have nothing to support the confrontation suggestion, do you?

GILBREATH: I believe I answered it. I don’t know how much more explanation you wish.

O’MARA: Anything you have, but you don’t have any, do you?

GILBREATH: I think I’ve answered the question.

And:

O’MARA: My question was do you have any evidence to contradict or that conflicts with his contention given before he knew any of the evidence that would conflict with the fact that he stated I walked back to my car?

GILBREATH: No.

O’MARA: No evidence. Correct?

GILBREATH: Understanding — are you talking about at that point in time?

O’MARA: Since. Today. Do you have any evidence that conflicts with his suggestion that he had turned around and went back to his car?

GILBREATH: Other than his statement, no.

O’MARA: Any evidence that conflicts with that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He answered it. He said no.

O’MARA: Any evidence that conflicts any eyewitnesses, anything that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?

GILBREATH: That contention that was given to us by him, other than filling in the figures being one following or chasing the other one, as to who threw the first blow, no.

And:

O’MARA: The injuries seem to be consistent with his story, though, don’t they?

GILBREATH: The injuries are consistent with a harder object striking the back of his head than his head was.

O’MARA: Could that be cement?

GILBREATH: Could be.

O’MARA: Did you just say it was consistent or did you say it wasn’t consistent?

GILBREATH: I said it was.

O’MARA: Ok. Have you ever had your nose broken?

GILBREATH: No.

O’MARA: Have you ever had your nose fractured or broken.

GILBREATH: No.

O’MARA: You know that that was an injury that Mr. Zimmerman sustained, correct?

GILBREATH: I know that that is an injury that is reported to have sustained. I haven’t seen any medical records to indicate that.

O’MARA: Have you asked him for them?

GILBREATH: Have I asked him for them? No.

O’MARA: Do you want a copy of them?

GILBREATH: Sure.

O’MARA: I’ll give them to the state. It’s a more appropriate way to do it. If you haven’t had them yet, I don’t want to cross you on them.

Nothing further, thank you, your honor.

30 Responses to Proved: The Zimmerman prosecution has NOTHING

  1. Steven W. on April 20, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Some years back I had the experience of witnessing a trial of my son who was prosecuted for getting into a fight with another kid after finding the other kid screwing a girl he thought highly of in the back of his car. The prosecution was repeatedly caught suborning perjury and obstructing justice – numerous + numerous times to the point where they tried to hide medical evidence that proved the boys were both drunk and the other boy blew > 2.0 alcohol some 6-8 hours after being admitted to the hospital … yet the prosecution denied there had ever been any drinking until they were forced to admit the evidence they’d tried to hide. Sadly I was then brought to the realization that for every sleazebag defense lawyer there’s often an equally scummy prosecutor … and it appears in this case they’ve similarly succumbed to pressure and propped up a case against Mr. Zimmerman that is a total violation of his rights.

  2. AnnC on April 20, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    O’Mara clean sweep.

  3. MikeyW on April 20, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    - “and it appears in this case they’ve similarly succumbed to pressure and propped up a case against Mr. Zimmerman that is a total violation of his rights.” – And the dead kid, by virtue of being dead, had no rights. Or at least none that you’re concerned about.

  4. SteveP on April 20, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    “And the dead kid, by virtue of being dead, had no rights. Or at least none that you’re concerned about.”

    He had rights when he was alive. Now that he’s dead he doesn’t. The court’s concern is with the living.
    The question before the court is, Was Zimmerman justified in killing Martin? In answering that question the court is obliged to protect Zimmerman’s rights as a defendant.
    This whole thing stinks of a politically motivated lynching.

  5. Stupid anti-American liberal on April 20, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    This whole thing stinks of a politically motivated lynching.

    ….

    That’s all it is.

    Wait for the riots.

  6. Budahmon on April 20, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    I think Mr. Martin’s rights ended where Zimmerman’s nose began!

  7. setnaffa on April 20, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Just Democrat on Democrat violence. And proof that one should (a) not attack folks just because they appear to be nosy, and (b) not bring Skittles to a gunfight.

  8. LOL on April 20, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    @MickeyW ^

    :0 LOL

  9. nope on April 21, 2012 at 12:07 am

    - “and it appears in this case they’ve similarly succumbed to pressure and propped up a case against Mr. Zimmerman that is a total violation of his rights.” – And the dead kid, by virtue of being dead, had no rights. Or at least none that you’re concerned about.

    Get a grip on your bias and emotions. Dead don’t make your right. The deceased apparently chose to act out physically on his paranoid delusions and it took a turn for the worse. Let it be a teachable moment for the like minded. If you want a scapegoat sue Skittles for inducing paranoid delusions.

  10. MikeyW on April 21, 2012 at 12:49 am

    - “In answering that question the court is obliged to protect Zimmerman’s rights as a defendant.” – The court is also obliged to question this guy’s story, being that he went beyond standing his ground when he got out of his car to confront the kid. Just because he got his ass kicked doesn’t mean that he didn’t initiate a conforntation that ended in death.

  11. MikeyW on April 21, 2012 at 12:59 am

    - “The deceased apparently chose to act out physically on his paranoid delusions and it took a turn for the worse.” – There was nothing paraiod about it. He was being followed by a 200+ lb male. This is a acknowleged fact. Zimmerman admitted that he was following him. That 200+ lb male got out of his car and approached him on foot. Zimmerman admitted to this as well. “Stand you ground” for Zimmerman went out the window at that point. The fact that kid was killed by the person following him puts the “paraniod delusion” argument in the trash heap.

    – “Let it be a teachable moment for the like minded.” – The teachable moment is to shoot first. The survivor gets to make up whatever story he wants.

  12. JimMtnViewCaUSA on April 21, 2012 at 4:03 am

    Police say Trayvon was 6′, 160 lbs.
    Family says 6′ 3″.
    Police give 5′ 9″ for Z’man. No weight but press reports say 180 lbs. He is a small guy, you can see that on TV. The 200+ lbs report is a media mistake from early in the coverage. Remember, the early coverage said Trayvon was shot twice in the back of the head. They printed a lot of false stuff to fan the flames. Now we are starting to get more facts.

  13. Mad Dog on April 21, 2012 at 4:11 am

    Hiya, MikeyW. Still into race baiting, I see. Well, here’s your favorite blood pressure booster this fine morning.

    Oh joy! Sky King, who usually uses the handle MikeyW, has joined us! Our day is now complete! Let’s welcome Sky with the following salute—it always gives him that warm and fuzzy feeling!
    “Lt Bush is an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot. After completing the F102 all weather interceptor school in November 1969, he came in this unit as a highly qualified fighter interceptor pilot. Lt Bush possesses sound judgment and is mature beyond his age and experience level…Lt Bush performed in an outstanding manner…He continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency even further. Lt Bush is a natural leader but he is also a good follower of military discipline. Lt Bush has outstanding growth potential and should be promoted well ahead of his contemporaries.”

    Don’t you wonder what The Obama Messiah’s officer evaluation reports say about his performance of duty? Or MikeyW’s? or Cal’s? Oh, that’s right—none of them ever served their country in uniform, being too busy doing other things like community organizing and trying to change hands without losing a stroke, activities with about the same ultimate societal value.

  14. ATTILA on April 21, 2012 at 4:57 am

    being too busy doing other things like community organizing and trying to change hands without losing a stroke, activities with about the same ultimate societal value.

    EACH OTHERS HANDS NO DOUBT

  15. Evan3457 on April 21, 2012 at 6:20 am

    The prosecution appears to have nothing. So far.

    As for what people who want Zimmerman convicted want, well, the prosecution has to bring a case, don’t they? And that case has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. So, I see little to no case against Zimmerman.

    Treyvon Martin was shot by George Zimmerman. That much is true. It doesn’t make it 2nd degree murder, no matter what is asserted by the prosecution in its affidavit, it has to have actual evidence, and it has to disclose that evidence to the defense beforehand. That’s the law.

    So far, all the prosecution has shown is a dead man, and a theory. Not good enough to charge, let alone convict. Unless the prosecution shows more, the judge must toss this case.

  16. Evan3457 on April 21, 2012 at 6:34 am

    From an AP story:

    Dale Gilbreath, an investigator for the prosecution, testified that he does not know whether Martin or Zimmerman threw the first punch and that there is no evidence to disprove Zimmerman’s contention he was walking back to his vehicle when confronted by Martin.

    But Gilbreath also said Zimmerman’s claim that Martin was slamming his head against the sidewalk just before he shot the teenager was “not consistent with the evidence we found.” He gave no details.

    No evidence to disprove Marin’s contention he was walking back to his vehicle? OK, this is not a direct quote from Gilbreath. It could be the reporter is interpreting or mis-interpreting what Gilbreath said. So the prosecution does not know who started the altercation. It would seem to me that Zimmerman’s claim to self-defense then stands unchallenged by evidence.

    But the quote about Zimmerman’s claim not being consistent with the evidence…well, the prosecution is going to have to disclose that evidence to the defense, and explain why they think the way they do, so the defense can prepare to refute it.

    We’ll see.

  17. Stupid anti-American liberal on April 21, 2012 at 7:34 am

    I wonder if Ca. collapses before Il.?

    Either way, it’s fun and quite exciting to watch.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304444604577340531861056966.html

  18. james on April 21, 2012 at 8:24 am

    It will be amusing up to the point that your (our) tax dollars are used to bail them out.

  19. james on April 21, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Given the apparent weakness of the prosecution’s case, the key unanswered question is actually why were the charges filed in the first place without even going to a grand jury?

  20. ken_phd on April 21, 2012 at 9:59 am

    James:

    “why were the charges filed in the first place without even going to a grand jury?”

    Charges had to be filed. People do a lot of strange things when faced with political pressures.

    In any case bail has been granted, the apology has been made, and in a short while the charges will be dismissed. After that we can all look forward to the late night guest appearances by all concerned, the book tour and the made for TV movie.

    And the black on black murder rate rate will continue unabated.

  21. Mad Dog on April 21, 2012 at 10:17 am

    …and MikeyW will continue race-baiting unabated as well….

  22. SteveP on April 21, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    “- “In answering that question the court is obliged to protect Zimmerman’s rights as a defendant.” – The court is also obliged to question this guy’s story, being that he went beyond standing his ground when he got out of his car to confront the kid.”

    Logic isn’t one of your strong suits, is it? You can’t see the connection between “answering that question” (Was Zimmerman justified in killing Martin?) and “question[ing] this guys’s story” (conducting a police investigation). Now that the prosecution has caved to political pressure from the lynch mob and taken the case before a court of law, the court, as well as the police, is questioning his story.
    Unfortunately for race warriors like you, it’s obvious that the prosecution doesn’t have a case.

    “being that he went beyond standing his ground when he got out of his car to confront the kid.”

    The claim that Zimmerman confronted Martin contradicts all the evidence and the lead investigator’s testimony.
    “the kid”, Martin, was bigger, stronger and more agile than Zimmerman. Even if Zimmerman had confronted Martin, it was Martin that started the fight by punching Zimmerman. At that point Zimmerman was justified in standing his ground.

  23. MikeN on April 21, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    >The claim that Zimmerman confronted Martin contradicts all the evidence and the lead investigator’s testimony.
    “the kid”, Martin, was bigger, stronger and more agile than Zimmerman.

    Remember that Chinese plane that crashed and China kept our spy plane?
    There also liberal media claimed it was the US’s fault for crashing into the Chinese plane. The Chinese plane was the smaller and faster moving plane.

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  25. MikeN on April 21, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    >The court is also obliged to question this guy’s story,

    No, it is obliged to do no such thing. It is obliged to let the prosecutor present a case of proof beyond reasonable doubt, and to let the defendant have an attorney, confront witnesses, and to not force the defendant to testify against himself.

  26. Demac on April 22, 2012 at 8:24 am

    You have to prove guilt, not innocence. We seem to have forgotten that in some circles.

  27. Mad Dog on April 22, 2012 at 9:00 am

    I love it when I drive MikeyW from a thread!

  28. bobo on April 23, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    @Demac – finally, no one seems to have figured that out yet. At the end of the day the burden of proof that the end result of the situation was malicious or without lawful justification (ie. not in self-defence) rests with the prosecution. If it cannot refute the defence’s explanation for events then this farce will be over.

  29. MikeyW on April 23, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    I hate when I get defeated in every thread.

    I guess that’s what I get for being a stupid liberal bitch who believes anything my liberal progressive masters tell me. I’m such an retarded idiot!!

  30. D Man on April 27, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Funny how something no one of us had control over (skin color) is such a central part of social conflict. Nice to see people standing up to racism. That’s right, get over it. All men created equal.

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