Voice based stress detector says Cain is truthful

November 10, 2011
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This is a type of technology that I tend to find fascinating, but I am unsure of its reliability. Apparently is it used regularly by a number of police and sheriffs departments across the country.

For what it’s worth it measures Cain’s statement as truthful and Bialek’s as untruthful.

More and more I being to think that Cain is going to survive this.

65 Responses to Voice based stress detector says Cain is truthful

  1. Steve on November 10, 2011 at 8:37 am

    …More and more I being to think that Cain is going to survive this.
    — UncleFred

    The MOST RECENT polls (today) appear to Agree with you :wink:

    FLORIDA
    Republican Presidential Primary (Quinnipiac)
    27% ~ Herman Cain (+6)
    21% ~ Romney
    17% ~ Gingrich

    Single-digit Losers:
    Perry - 5, Bachmann - 4, Paul - 3, Huntsman - 1, Santorum – 1

    This improves Cain’s Florida standing on the RCP average…
    …where Cain & Romey are now within 0.8 of each other

    OHIO
    Republican Presidential Primary (Quinnipiac)
    25% ~ Herman Cain (+5)
    20% ~ Romney
    11% ~ Gingrich

    Single-digit Losers:
    Paul - 9, Bachmann - 4, Perry - 4, Huntsman - 2, Santorum - 1

    This puts Cain at +10 in OHIO on the RCP average…

    PENNSYLVANIA
    Republican Presidential Primary (Quinnipiac)
    17% ~ Herman Cain (Tie)
    17% ~ Mitt Romney
    13% ~ Gingrich
    13% ~ Santorum

    Single-digit Losers:
    Perry - 5, Paul - 5, Bachmann - 2, Huntsman - 2

    It’s been a while since Santorum has higher than 1%
    …But, Overall — It continues to be the EXACT SAME pattern:
    • Cain on TOP, or in a statistical tie with Romney
    • Gingrich doing very well, slow and steady growth
    • Perry continuing to sink like a stone
    • and Single-digit losers continuing to be Single-digit losers

    As usual, read into this new polling data whatever you please…
    :cool:

  2. Steve on November 10, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Ann Coulter adds some new detials…
    Here

    Nice to see Conservative blogs doing the job the MSM and Rinos refuse to do
    :wink:

  3. Steve on November 10, 2011 at 11:56 am

    …In honor of tomorrow being (11-11-11)

    The 11-11-11 Tribute
    :razz:

  4. kellsbells on November 10, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Voice-based stress detector? Won’t hold up in a court of law in FL, but Washington state is loaded with, well…..you spoke on that yesterday……..

  5. kellsbells on November 10, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    11/11/11 …… Steve, are you going to celebrate by calling one of Cain’s “dolls?”
    Chicago does have “All That Jazz.”

  6. Steve on November 10, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    11 year old scotch would be much more fitting; wouldn’t you agree?
    :wink:

  7. WhiteOut on November 10, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    “Throw in some federal tax evasion, and she’s Obama’s next Cabinet pick.”

    Coulter doesnt really do it for me, but this was a great line…

  8. Mad Dog on November 10, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Cain will survive, but what about Cal and Lyle? Suicide watch may not be enough.

  9. ken_phd on November 10, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Steve:

    I think the prospect of a brokered GOP convention now appears to be a possibility. What do you think?

    Ron Paul’s support won’t change.
    Romney’s RINOs will still support Romney
    Cain will likely hold on to anti-Washington conservatives
    Gingrich gets the rest

    Who switches?

  10. Mad Dog on November 10, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Interesting thought, ken-phd. I’m trying to think when the last brokered convention occurred in either party–the Demoncraps in 1924, perhaps?

    Cal’s absence is duly noted. However, I believe he’s pulling a double shift at the Compton Portapotty Recycling Center today, which may explain his lack of posts.

  11. kellsbells on November 10, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Ken; to whom will the Independents turn? I think they’re going to be a big factor……

  12. Steve on November 10, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    “Who switches?”
    - ken_phd

    Whoever is stronger between Cain or Gingrich might switch,
    …and then name remaining one as their VP pick

    Think about it…

    • Paulbots won’t switch to Romney (especially after Romney just defended Israel and swore he’d never allow Iran to get nukes). The Paulbots despise that kind of stuff.

    • Romney’s crowd of RINO-hacks sure doesn’t like Paul’s suicidal national-security policy and foreign policy, so there seems to be little chance of RINOs moving over to Ron Paul.

    Where does that leave us…?

    Latest (Rasmussen) on Florida:
    • Cain & Gingrich collectively = 49%
    Latest (PPP) on Ohio:
    • Cain & Gingrich collectively = 54%
    Latest (PPP) on Mississippi:
    • Cain & Gingrich collectively = 53%

    So, while things can always change, right now it would appear that the majority is clearly with both Cain and Gingrich so whomever survives the liberal onslaught enough to be on top might switch, knowing that the end result would be:
    Cain / Gingrich or Gingrich / Cain

    Of course, it’s far too early to make that call…
    …but it seems a probable scenario considering the now entrenched camps

    Hope that helps…
    :cool:

  13. ken_phd on November 10, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Steve:

    Good analysis. One other thing to consider:

    A brokered convention could throw the doors open for a newcomer to compete. Imagine that, a real convention with no one knowing the outcome.

  14. Steve on November 10, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    A brokered convention could throw the doors open for a newcomer
    — ken_phd

    I hereby nominate myself :grin:

  15. ken_phd on November 10, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Steve:

    One comment about Cain/Gingrich.

    Ordinarily, I don’t think Gringrich would go for a VP slot. However, with Cain being a cancer survivor, the possibility of him not being able to serve a full term might influence Newt’s decision.

  16. ken_phd on November 10, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Kellsbells:

    “to whom will the Independents turn?”

    I am just addressing the primaries coming up for the GOP. Depending on the state rules (it varies from state to state), it usually just the registered Republicans that get to vote for the GOP candidate. If you are referring to moderate Republicans, I’d guess they would gravitate toward Romney. However, if they haven’t lined up for Romney by now, I suspect their votes would go to someone else.

  17. unclefred on November 10, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Since Newt and Cain are both from Georgia they can’t run on the same ticket in that state. I am not exactly sure if the one running for president could run with out their VP pick, but giving up Georgia’s electoral votes is not something to consider lightly. In a tight contest you could end up with the Democrat VP candidate winning while the Republican presidential candidate wins the presidency.

    I highly doubt that the convention will be brokered. Paul’s support goes no where, but the other supporters for Romney, Cain, or Gingrich will shift in the later primaries if their first pick becomes untenable.

    Actually I would expect Romney’s support to be the most fluid. He is still viewed as inevitable by a large segment of primary voters. If that doesn’t hold up he’s going to bleed support. RINO’s don’t actually believe in much, so if Romney loses momentum they’ll be the first to jump ship and “pick a winner”.

  18. ken_phd on November 10, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Unclefred:

    “RINO’s don’t actually believe in much, so if Romney loses momentum they’ll be the first to jump ship and “pick a winner”.”

    I am now expecting all four candidates (Cain Romney, Paul and Gringrich) to make it to the convention. If one doesn’t, I suspect you are correct.

    But, as they say, truth is stranger than fiction. Consider this:

    If we do have a contested convention, Romney’s staff has probably already discussed the possibility. The only reasonable solution would be to reach out to Cain for a Romney/Cain ticket. Newt knows this could happen and has already treated Cain with a great deal of respect. He would have the same political plan in mind. So, while both Gingrich and Romney are campaigning they will be extra special careful with Herman Cain

    So, in an ironic twist of fate, Herman Cain either becomes President or determines who it will be.

    to be continued…

  19. R U in the tank for the Cain-sian?? on November 10, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    ken,

    i agree it looks like it will come down to Romney, Paul, Gingrich, and Cain. it will be interesting to see how this shakes out. I still think Cain is a RINO-imposter who is more hot air than good ideas who is getting support from the ‘sympathy to a conservative black’ crowd (for now). if the harrasment issue blows up in his face in the coming months, he’s gone. if not, i still think enthuiasm for him will wane and go to the other 3. Newt is quietly gaining alot of traction and getting more recognition in the debates for his cool composure and articulation of ideas. And Ron Paul remains a dark horse w/avid support that may surprise alot in the end. After last nights debate performance in which he showed a clear command of the economic issues and problems inherent with big gov’t, I think he may gain some support. I think Newt #’s will continue to improve too. so yes, we could conceivably get something like a 4-way deadlock/brokered convention.

  20. R U in the tank for the Cain-sian?? on November 10, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    where will independents to — to the candidates that most represent changing the status quo: Gingrich and Paul.

    sorry Steve, Cain does not fit that profile. Under the circumstances of our economy and the source of its problems, you can’t be pro-Fed and also be considered ‘anti-Washington’. That disqualifies Cain. You might keep trying to write to the Cain campaign in hope he changes his stance … but its too late, the cat’s out of the bag. He’s either truly pro-Fed or he’s just clueless on what’s going on re: the Fed, how it operates in the interests of the big banks and not in the interests of the US citizen, and the mess it has made.

  21. unclefred on November 10, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    RU -
    Paul is good for between 7%-9% no more and probably no less. He has is base and draws from no one else. The issue there is that he will be there to the end and his base will not defect no matter what.

    We have different views of Cain I am convinced that he is exactly what he appears to be a conservative businessman. If the harassment charges gain credibility he’s done and I would expect his support to flow solely to Gingrich. If they prove fabrications, as today they appear to be, I would expect him to gain support as the Perry and Bachmann voters shift to viable candidates and probably regain some of the support that moved to Gingrich. I don’t expect that any of these people will move to Romney. If he was acceptable they’d already be there.

    The later states are winner take all. So the real question is will the low percentage candidates drop out early enough so that Romney doesn’t win them with 26% of the vote.

    Paul will win no states, so he will only have delegates from his proportional wins. Probably not enough to play king maker on his own, but in conjunction with whomever is in the #3 slot it could be very interesting.

    If we get to a brokered convention, the action will be between Romney and Gingrich. I don’t see Cain having the political infrastructure to effectively manage a convention fight. Although if Cain is in first or second Gingrich could end up negotiating the floor fight as his surrogate, would that not be strange.

    Since I believe that Cain will surmount the charges against him, I expect that our ultimate ticket will be include either Cain and Romney, or if they can manage the same state issue Cain and Gingrich. On both tickets either could be VP or Pres depending on how they finish. I don’t expect a ticket with Romney and Gingrich because I don’t see a path in the later winner take all contests were Gingirch wins any states, assuming that Cain is still in it. If Romney is able to force his nomination he is MUCH better served with Cain than Gingrich, who would make an excellent cabinet member. Similarly if Gingirch is able to win enough later states out right that he can force his nomination, he is better served by putting Cain on his ticket and Romney out to pasture.

    All speculation of course. After the mess that it caused the Dems in 2008, I was surprised when the Republicans went to proportional awarding of delegates in the early states, especially since we don’t have “super delegates”. But I assume that when the party set this up they ran the numbers to try to ensure that there would not be a brokered convention.

  22. unclefred on November 10, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    RU – Independents who are not already Paul Bots (and yes he has some) will not go to Paul. He really does come across as someone crazy uncle way to often, especially with regard to foreign policy.

    Characterizing Cain as “pro Fed” is not accurate. Even if it were, the vast majority of voters are not Fed centric. To think that most voters don’t see Cain as someone who would bring serious reform to DC, including the Fed, is delusional. I am not saying that you do not have reason to hold that view, only that, based on polling, virtually all of Cain’s supporters see him as an outsider who will clean house if elected.

  23. R U in the tank for the Cain-sian?? on November 10, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    UF — interesting view, but we disagree:

    1) independents will not go to a RINO candidate (that represents GWB form of ‘big gov’t conservatism’ ) anymore than Obama’s BS ‘hope and change’. This disqualifies them going to Romney or Cain. they go to Gingrich and Paul.

    2) characterizing Cain as ‘pro Fed’ is deadly accurate. I don’t know how you can miss it … is your head in the sand or are you drunk on Cainiac Kool-aid?? He was a Fed Chairman and originally defended the Fed, saying no need for audits. Only when that position caused a little backlash w/support from co-opted members of the Tea Party did he soften his stance and say that the Fed ‘just needs to be fixed’. He hasn’t offered any details on what and how it will be fixed (I suspect cause he has no clue).

    if the vast majority of voters are not Fed -centric (which may be true) then it looks like we are in for quite a few more years of pain, because anyone with a solid understanding of finance/economics knows that the Fed/central banking is the crux of much of our economic woes. I think more voters are waking up to this, but perhaps its not yet a majority.

    polls can change quickly … and they can be manipulated too to shape public opinion instead of reflecting it. The current predominant (suposedly) image of Herman Cain as a ‘successful businessman/outsider who will clean up Washington’ is a bunch of BS IMO and may be supported by wishful thinking of Cain’s followers. Based on his record and statements, the GUY IS CLUELESS ON ECONOMICS AND THUS ISN’T QUALIFIED TO FIX THE ECONOMIC MESS WE ARE IN. And how he got to be CEO of Godfather’s is beyond me — he strikes me as just an appointed figurehead … he doesn’t know really how to run a business. there’s a big difference. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong and start to speak intelligently about things, but his track record so far is abysmal. This piece sums up nicely Cain’s ‘faux pas’ positions — you can do further research to verify their validity.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwuMVrdkPLw

  24. R U in the tank for the Cain-sian?? on November 10, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    like I said regarding Ron Paul, I woudn’t count him out as ‘unable to win a state’. Here’s an interesting piece I read. It points out Paul has some very conservative ideas but they may be too radical at this time for the electorate. Too bad: Radical times call for radical ideas. Seems to me we may be in radical times.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-an-appreciation-of-his-debate-performances-2011-11

  25. ken_phd on November 11, 2011 at 12:37 am

    RU:

    My background is engineering (BSEE). I went to an all engineering school with lots of choices for particular fields. Aeronautics and mathematics majors were challenging fields. If you haven’t been througth an engineering education, you have missed a 4 year pressure cooker education.

  26. ken_phd on November 11, 2011 at 1:00 am

    RU:

    I sent the last post before I was finished.

    I have heard Cain speak. He is no dummy.

  27. Steve on November 11, 2011 at 2:34 am

    “where will independents go to — to the candidates that most represent changing the status quo: Gingrich and Paul. sorry Steve, Cain does not fit that profile.”
    — RU

    It’s great that you’re a Fed hawk, but Cain leading the charge from the very start on throwing out the entire U.S. Tax-code and moving toward a flatter / fairer tax system is HARDLY the “Status Quo”. It shows up a lot in your posts that your anti-Fed stance (while good) seems to blind you to the fact that Cain is exactly what UncleFred suggested that he is: “a conservative businessman”.

    The Jack Hunter piece has decent points (which you know that I’ve acknowledged several times in past threads). However, looking just at the politics in play, the good points against TARP, while mostly accurate, still only garners about 7% – 9%, which is already lined up for Ron Paul and flat-lined at those percentages. Like you, I wish that Cain’s positions against the Fed were equally as strong as Cain’s stated policy against the disastrous U.S. Tax code. Your questions about Cain appear to be if he can learn from past mistakes. I see his patterns as being more of a man who will listen to reason and admit his past mistakes. But, Romney damned sure isn’t admitting his mistakes over 0Romneycare, (etc.), Perry damned sure isn’t admitting his mistakes over his suicidal pro-illegal background and Ron Paul damned sure isn’t admitting his continuous mistakes on his suicidal national-security and crazy foreign-policy, which may also explain why Paul is so profoundly wedged around 8%.

    So where does that leave us? It’s either Cain or Gingrich, both of whom I could easily support and NEITHER are the “Status Quo”.

  28. Steve on November 11, 2011 at 2:37 am

    “…keep trying to write to the Cain campaign in hope he changes his stance”
    — RU

    Yes, and may I suggest that you START writing his campaign? It might be a lot more effective than bashing him in almost every thread. :wink:

  29. batman on November 11, 2011 at 3:08 am

    UFred,
    Newt’s residence is in VA, It’s not a problem if they wanted to team up, just like Cheney moved his residence to WY to avoid a similar issue in 2000.

  30. Steve on November 11, 2011 at 4:40 am

    I should probably re-post this in the appropriate thread…

    The gold-diggers and serial accuser have been put on notice :shock:

    Cain fires a warning shot at Axelrod’s accusatory friends

    Reuters — Atlanta attorney Lin Wood told Reuters Thursday he was not hired to scare, intimidate or threaten anyone from making statements, but to monitor the accusations against Cain and respond accordingly.

    Wood, a TOP libel and defamation lawyer, was hired on Monday morning when it became clear that Sharon Bialek was about to become the first of four women alleging inappropriate behavior by Cain to go public with her accusations.

    “I would certainly at some point and time give him my legal evaluation of whether any of these particular statements are potentially actionable,” Wood said. “But I was not hired to run out and file a lawsuit against anybody.”

    no, but it probably gives pause to serial-accuser and gold-digger Bialek who has already FAILED private investigator TJ Ward’s lie detector software that Ward said nearly 70 law enforcement agencies nationwide use, including the Forsyth County Sheriff’s Office, which is also a technology that law enforcement use as a tool to tell when someone is lying and that it has a 95 percent success rate. No doubt, Axelrod’s female companions will factor these potential consequences into their decision before making baseless defamatory remarks in the future.

    Good move Mr. Cain
    :cool:

  31. kellsbells on November 11, 2011 at 7:21 am

    Thanks, Batman…. I was wondering about the whole GA. issue if they teamed up….

    As far as the Federal Reserve, I think it’s probably going to take baby steps to end that…. much like entitlement programs…. people have become far too apathetic….maybe they are waking up; then again you’ve got these occupy folks with no sense of direction and absolutely no knowledge of history, it seems….just thinking out loud….

  32. Steve on November 11, 2011 at 7:28 am

    Heh, and I suppose that
    THIS is what happens when you hire a “TOP libel and defamation lawyer”

    “Ms. Kraushaar has decided NOT :shock: to hold a press conference unless and until the other women come forward and wish to participate”, says Kraushaar’s attorney

    Wait, What?? …Why wait for the others…???
    …If Kraushaar has such a strong case, why not make it now???
    Why are her accusations suddenly dependent upon others???

    Hmmm…

    Or, did Axelrod just finally figure out that the smear-tactics against Herman Cain are helping to the Cain campaign to raise far WAY MUCH Cash???

    So many questions…
    …and ZERO credible answers — why is that?
    :roll:

  33. Steve on November 11, 2011 at 7:32 am

    far way much = “way too much”

    …still early, need more coffee :wink:

  34. anonymous un-RINO on November 11, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Yeah, I wouldn’t count out Ron Paul just yet. He’s the only candidate with significant support who directly reflects the Tea Party zeitgeist. Cain isn’t that, obviously.

    The Tea Party types are scrambling around seeking a candidate that reflects their views. They go from place to place, embracing and rejecting, this one and that one. They’ve settled on none of them, and for good reason. None of those they’ve embraced reflects their views. The only question is, will they ever embrace Ron Paul? They very well may, and if they do, it’ll be at the best possible time for Paul, right in primary season.

    Check Gallup contender images: http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

    Paul’s “favorable” rating is 46%, which is about tied with everybody else. And his “strongly unfavorable” numbers are about tied with everybody else, as well. He does have much higher “unfavorable” numbers than Romney and Cain, but is about tied with everybody else. And while Cain leads him wide on “strongly favorable”, Paul’s near tied with everybody else.

    This data tells me that Paul is well positioned for volatility. And we are entering a volatile phase. Romney’s numbers haven’t changed much, during past volatility. Volatility isn’t his friend, then, and he’s just waiting around, to survive and accept the crown, obviously.

    Cain has benefited, during that past volatility, but others have risen and fallen during that volatility. Will Cain do the same? Remember, he isn’t a true Tea Partyer, not by any measurable standard.

    The last “riser” is going to claim the crown, obviously. Romney can’t rise, he can only survive, and hope everybody else falters. Cain can rise, but he can also be whacked, as we see. Gingrich can rise, and is slowly doing so, but will that stick? Paul and Romney are the only ones who haven’t really shown movement during past volatility, but Paul is the only one of those 2 capable of rising, imo.

    All those yammering about Ron Paul’s foreign policy apostasy better get a clue. Foreign policy is not getting much play in this R primary, and for good reason. These RINOs all agree with Obambi, that unconstitutional wars in Libya, and quadrupling our troop counts in Afghanistan, are both good things. But you let one of those surface to air missiles Obambi and the RINOs gave to those Libyan islamofascists ruling Libya right now, and have it shoot down a civilian airliner full of 300 people, and then let’s talk about Ron Paul’s “foreign policy madness”. Things change quickly, folks. Yesterday’s brilliant RINO/Obambi strategy becomes today’s campaign killer, and Ron Paul will be the beneficiary in such a volatile environment.

  35. Steve on November 11, 2011 at 10:07 am

    I read your book. Wanna read mine?. :razz:

  36. Steve on November 11, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Foreign policy is not getting much play in this “R” primary
    — un-RINO

    But it WILL be front & center in the general election if Ron Paul is the nominee

    Here’s a simple Ron Paul “foreign-policy” test:

    Put yourself in a neighborhood with 5 houses.
    3 houses are owned by bullies who hate you and harass your family
    1 house is owned by a good, reliable friend (also hated by the bullies)
    Now, you’re a strong guy — certainly strong enough to kick any 1 bully’s ass (and probably even 2 of them) all by yourself but, overall, you are outnumbered. There is nothing that the 3 bullies would love more, then to catch you all alone so that they could thoroughly kick your ass and then go abuse and/or rape your wife and daughters.

    Also, (in the past), when they’ve tried such attacks, you and your friend both teamed-up together and kicked all 3 of those bullies asses. These bullies are real bad dudes, but they are very afraid of confronting you and your friend together because they ALL know from past experience that you 2 allies will just destroy the 3 of them if you’re provoked and/or attacked.

    So, with that background — here’s the Ron Paul test…

    IF you think willfully poking your friend in the eye is a really good idea (so that he will NEVER team up with you again in the future to collectively fight the bullies), then you should go support Ron Paul and donate heavily to his campaign.

    IF you think continuing to support your friend and team-up with him to thwart the bullies if they ever get too rowdy is a better idea, then perhaps you should walk away (or perhaps even run away) from the Ron Paul suicidal foreign policy ideology ASAP

    I know exactly where I stand with regards to Ron Paul…
    …there is ZERO squishiness and ZERO chance that I’ll flunk the Ron Paul test

    And, that’s precisely the dilemma for Tea Partiers too if you think about it (especially when you look at Tea Party demographics and understand their age and experience levels in dealing with much bigger & meaner bullies in the world). If the older, wiser and more-experienced Tea Party folks are forced to make a choice between a Fed Hawk and a National Security Hawk, the safe money is counting on them to do what they’ve always done in the past, which is put National Security ahead of all other matters

    If you’re a Fed Hawk, then may I suggest doing what I’ve repeatedly done? Contact both the Cain and Gingrich campaigns in every way you know how to contact them — and repeatedly urge them to push for a stronger, more specific and more transparent policy with regards to the Federal Reserve.

    Our complaining (yes, mine too) about the GOP’s top picks on a blog only get us so far. What matters IMHO is our taking action and holding their hands in the fire on what needs to be done with the Fed (with the precious little time there is remaining to educate the NON-Romney candidate). I suspect it will be down to Gingrich and Cain. I could be wrong, but man it sure doesn’t seem like it now.

    Okay, that was my “books” worth… :razz:

    Over & out chief…

  37. R U in the tank for the Cain-sian?? on November 11, 2011 at 10:14 am

    “Yes, and may I suggest that you START writing his campaign? It might be a lot more effective than bashing him in almost every thread. ”

    No need for me to write. I know where the guy stands already and I’m not fooled by his softer talk on the issue. Bashing him?? not at all … just trying to point out what you don’t want to see. But I guess that would appear as ‘bashing’ to a Cainiac cheerleader!

  38. Steve on November 11, 2011 at 10:34 am

    just trying to point out what you don’t want to see
    RU

    Perhaps you should re-read THIS comment again.
    …where I acknowledge Hunter’s decent points; and you know for a fact that I’ve ascribed the points about the Fed several times in past threads (not to mention in the book I just wrote for un-RINO). So stop being so willfully ignorant and pretending like I haven’t. You look ridiculous when you make such patently false assertions.

    Take a page from un-RINO who can debate without making repeated false claims.

  39. ken_phd on November 11, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    anonymous un-RINO

    “Yeah, I wouldn’t count out Ron Paul just yet.”

    I didn’t mean to. His presence (and that of his his supporters) should have a significant impact on the convention.

    It’s just difficult to project what will happen.

  40. ken_phd on November 11, 2011 at 4:23 pm
  41. Steve on November 11, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Yeah, it sounded like the old brit’s motives were twofold:
    1.) To get Bialik’s focus off of him so it doesn’t destroy his divorce proceedings
    2.) To tell the media that he’s not Bialik fiancé (and she does not live with him) so they will stay off the damned lawn and stop annoying the neighbors
    :razz:
    …interesting that he’s also unemployed and teetering on the verge of bankruptcy

    It’s the same story with this entire ilk. No credibility and questionable motives
    …no wonder his wife left him and moved back to the UK :roll:

  42. Steve on November 11, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Here’s one back for you Ken…
    …you’d probably enjoy watching THIS

    …no doubt, some of the weak-minded people, like MFG, cower in fear and wet themselves whenever the liberal-media or the 0bamaAxelrod smear machine gets going, but it’s abundantly evident, (to clear-thinking people anyway), that these smear artists have ZERO credibility and NOTHING but problematic motives.

    Enjoy the video… :wink:

  43. Steve on November 11, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    And… here’s Part II of that interview.

    We need more politicians who have got such a great sense of humor

  44. ken_phd on November 11, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Steve:

    “And… here’s Part II of that interview”

    Very enjoyable interview. Thanks for the link. I forwarded to my family.

  45. anonymous un-RINO on November 12, 2011 at 6:06 am

    Foreign policy is not getting much play in this “R” primary
    — un-RINO

    But it WILL be front & center in the general election if Ron Paul is the nominee

    .

    It WILL be front and center long before that, my friend.

    The Super Committee business and other budget issues will bring it front and center, over the next few months and the next year. (Take note that none of the RINOs are addressing this massive spending problem, in these debates. And as Cain has now gone on for quite some time now not addressing fundamental spending matters, it’s time to start lumping him in with the other RINO drones, who are ignoring this.)

    Withdrawing completely from Iraq by December will bring it front and center.

    As mentioned, the shooting down of a civilian airliner, at any point, will bring it front and center.

    Any fallout from the RINOs’/Obambi’s buddies, the Libyan islamofascists, who are in control over there, will bring it front and center.

    Any foolishness and bloodshed arising in Afghanistan, resultant of the RINOs’/Obambi’s foolish escalation in our involvement in that civil war, will bring it front and center.

    Remember, the Lawrence of Arabia nonsense is a RINO/Obambi fixation. Cain appears to be so fixated, although he’s not saying much, like with most things. His campaign is shaping up as just as much a vacuity as Perry’s, basically. Perry has a tax plan as well, if you notice.

    Prediction: These RINOs all drop out, and endorse Romney.

  46. Steve on November 12, 2011 at 7:18 am

    ”And as Cain has now gone on for quite some time now not addressing fundamental spending matters, it’s time to start lumping him in with the other RINO drones, who are ignoring this”
    un-RINO

    Be patient… :cool:
    He’s getting there. It’s probably lots and lots of people like me who contact them and cram these matters down their throats, but he’s starting to come around…

    Herman Cain on:
    (1.) not being a sellout to the establishment rinos
    (2.) Cutting government spending by 20%
    (3.) dealing with the arrogance of the U.N.
    (4.) replacing the disastrous tax code

    “…I would do an across-the-board CUT of 10% of EVERY agency, except for Defense. I would review that to see if we’ve got the right priorities. Then each of my new Cabinet heads, I would then ask them to find another 10% by doing a deep dive. You have to go into each department and find programs that are outdated, obsolete, a conflict with some of our other programs. Once we do that, some departments may be totally gone. But I don’t want to make that judgment without looking down in the belly of each one of these.”

    He said he expects his administration would cut costs by at least 20% in his first year

    “…because we’re going to go at it the same way a businessman would go about cutting costs. Let’s put every program on the table. What are the cost-benefits of this program? If those cost-benefits do not justify themselves, it is gone.”

    If elected president, Cain also said he would “bring about an attitude adjustment with the United Nations,” refusing to compromise the nation’s sovereignty under any circumstances. He would also work on legislation to “throw out the tax code” and pass his 9-9-9 plan.

    As far as foreign policy in concerned, I’m mainly just trying to highlight the dilemma for Tea Partiers who (when you look at Tea Party demographics) are older, wiser and more-experienced with regards to fighting bullies on the world stage. Since there isn’t a single candidate who is BOTH a solid Fed-Hawk and a solid National-Security Hawk, then it put’s Tea Party folks in a tough spot to make a choice …in which case the safe money is counting on them to do what they’ve always done in the past, which is put National Security ahead of ALL other matters, and I don’t think that’ll go over that great for Paul. Your hypothetical scenarios could certainly stir the pot enough to where it’d be a much tougher call (so I agree with you on some of that)… But I’m just not ready to call Cain a rino just yet, and I’d much rather keep thumping their campaign in the head to get serious about these other matters like any good “Conservative Businessman” would do.

    That’s what he is. A Conservative Businessman, so I try to speak on that level.

  47. R U in the tank for the Cain-sian?? on November 12, 2011 at 7:52 am

    “Be patient…
    He’s getting there. It’s probably lots and lots of people like me who contact them and cram these matters down their throats, but he’s starting to come around…”

    see — that’s part of the problem w/Cain. you guys think you can call his campaign and tell him what to say and believe. what does he himself beleive? does he understand the problems of the country fundamentally? if he starts going astray, is he going to take calls from you all on what policy to enact or changes to make? the fact that he acts, by his staments, like the Fed is fine (and there are other examples of his weaknesses) should tell you that:
    a) he’s a puppet for pro-Fed forces
    b) he beleives the Fed is fine so why should YOU have to contact him to persuade him to believe otherwise … the guy hasn’t done his homework to realize the problem there and THAT SHOULD SPEAK VOLUMES! The president should come into office knowing what the fundamental problems are with a solid plan to address them … he shoudn’t be trying to ‘learn as he goes’ .

    And what about a “Spending HAWK”? un-RINO calls it correctly and says Cain, like the other RINO’s, hasn’t come out with a plan to seriously address the spending issue. (from what I’ve seen, The only one who has come out with a decent spending cut plan so far is Paul)

  48. R U in the tank for the Cain-sian?? on November 12, 2011 at 8:13 am

    steve, while I understand where you are coming from with your illustration/analogy above re: Paul not being a ‘national-security Hawk’, i’ll also point out that it is inline with the ‘over the top’ method that the current RINO GOP-establishment attack him with. From what I’ve uncovered, Paul strongly supports a strong national defense, but he advocates a big reduction in our international military presense (perhaps too big, and that is arguable. but ending these wars would save some serious $). he’s also attacked for wanting to stop foreign aid to Israel (I assume that it the ‘neighborhood friend’ in you analogy above) … but he clearly advocates stopping foreign aid to all countries (Not a bad idea if one if trying to get their financial house in order) … and the truth is that, collectively, the Arab countries receive more $ from the US than does Israel. so stopping ALL foreign aid actually benefits Israel as they would be “net positive” compared to Arab countries.

  49. anonymous un-RINO on November 12, 2011 at 8:30 am

    “As far as foreign policy in concerned, I’m mainly just trying to highlight the dilemma for Tea Partiers who (when you look at Tea Party demographics) are older, wiser and more-experienced…”

    .

    Correct. And they have seen the RINO/Obambi fixations for some years now. Unconstitutional wars started up in Libya,. Quadrupling our troops counts in Afghanistan’s civil war. Those Tea Partyers well understand that it is the RINOs who enable this madness. The McLiars and Lucinda Grahams are the ones who love all this, just like their soulmate Obambi. The RINOs want to play Lawrence of Arabia… they love the “right to protect” doctrine, just like their lefty soulmates… and Obambi.

    And these RINOs love all this, while we’re heading to fiscal disaster. They are mirror images of Obambi in that regard.

    And you think the Tea Party is going to side with these kooks? You think the Tea Party is going to do anthiing other than SPIT when they see they’re on the same side with McLiar and Lucinda and Obambi?

    Dream on.

    Remember, if you act RINO… you’ll be called RINO. Right now, those screeching support for McLiar, Lucinda and Obambi’s fantasies are RINOs. Pick a side.

  50. ken_phd on November 12, 2011 at 9:16 am

    Steve:

    Lots of interesting questions to be asked and answered. That’s why I think a brokered convention is a possibility.

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