The Dictionary Definition of “Unintended Consequences”

February 28, 2011
By

Brought to you, as is often the case, by the city of San Francisco:

San Francisco‘s big push for low-flow toilets has turned into a multimillion-dollar plumbing stink.

Skimping on toilet water has resulted in more sludge backing up inside the sewer pipes, said Tyrone Jue, spokesman for the city Public Utilities Commission. That has created a rotten-egg stench near AT&T Park and elsewhere, especially during the dry summer months.

The city has already spent $100 million over the past five years to upgrade its sewer system and sewage plants, in part to combat the odor problem.

Now officials are stocking up on a $14 million, three-year supply of highly concentrated sodium hypochlorite – better known as bleach – to act as an odor eater and to disinfect the city’s treated water before it’s dumped into the bay. It will also be used to sanitize drinking water.

38 Responses to The Dictionary Definition of “Unintended Consequences”

  1. rightwingyahoo on February 28, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Well, they ought to be used to the smell, especially in the bath house district.

  2. Kevin_Thompson on March 1, 2011 at 5:27 am

    “I can smell San Francisco from my house!” Sarah Palin

  3. It’s San Andreas Fault! on March 1, 2011 at 6:03 am

    So, “low flow toilets” are now going to be the new scapegoat to explain why San Francisco is such stinking sewer?

    Ri-i-i-i-i-i-ight

    The vile stench wafting up from San Francisco has less to do with technical problems within the Public Utilities Commission, and more to do with the fringe liberal kook politicians who have run that west-coast cesspool into the ground (and the blind moron voters who keep electing them).

    WHY IS IT that the failed dogma of liberalism is never (never!) to be blamed for ANY of these seemingly endless plagues that routinely befall these bastions of liberal practices???

    Clearly,
    — Narcissism, blind hypocrisy and willful ignorance are the new doctrine of the Democrat Party

    Quick Trolls! Change the subject!!

    We must not explore the actual reasons why the ultra liberal
    California is morally, ethically and financially bankrupt!!!

    Subject change!!!

  4. anonymous un-RINO on March 1, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Wait a minute, the envirokooks were shrieking about chlorine in water a short while ago, yelping about banning all PVC, the stupid freaks, but now suddenly sodium hypochlorite is de rigeur for them?!

    You can’t parody these people. You just can’t. It’s impossible. Just type The Onion into a post and go for it, because lefty dogma is already there, or will be on the next kooky jerked knee.

  5. David on March 1, 2011 at 8:42 am

    “..but now suddenly sodium hypochlorite is de rigeur for them?!”

    If they were true to their envirokook religion, then they’d figure out a way to burn this sludge of their own making to fuel their little Prius clown carts

    You’re right though anonymous un-RINO

    You can’t parody these people. You just can’t.

  6. Col. Beuregard Pompous on March 1, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Thank goodness the Wright brothers weren’t Conservative.

  7. edward on March 1, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Hello Colonel,
    Thanks for joining us……..
    you’re made a “brilliant” point….. totally flaming the entire thread……..

    Ooops one small problem….. the Wright brothers were very conservative as engineers. You have no F—ing idea where their political view laid then nor how their would view the world now.

    Why do trolls keep telling us how much smarter they are than conservatives?

    Sewers are classic problems in hydro-dynamics. If you change the input parameters, you may get different results than what you expect. But please flail on……..

    Buckminster Fuller recognized in the 1950’s that low flow toilets could cause problems…..
    Here’s a link from a 1997 book about Fuller
    http://books.google.com/books?id=iOhrizYNIjQC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=low+flush+toilets+predicted+to+cause+sewer+problems&source=bl&ots=Pbm9JtHH5V&sig=qXvnpCiVdPDouy6IsEfZQB2MhTs&hl=en&ei=oTJtTYSwGYLGlQfl_qjHBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=low%20flush&f=false

  8. IP727 on March 1, 2011 at 10:15 am

    If the libs are so smart, why are they still libs??

  9. IP727 on March 1, 2011 at 11:01 am

    We are not far behind

  10. Anon-e-Moose™ on March 1, 2011 at 11:51 am

    When the fringe lefty kookoos cannot win the debates in the court of public opinion, then..

    They try to SHUT DOWN the debate

    More of the un-‘fairness doctrine’ from the unhinged left.

    Say, if the left is out there: “Winning Hearts and Minds”..
    ..then why do they need to shut down debate???

    Oh, that’s right,
    because they’re liars frauds and hypocrites. That’s why.

    Cowards

  11. Anon-e-Moose™ on March 1, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    ”Thank goodness the Wright brothers weren’t Conservative”
    Col. Lefty McMoron

    What a bogus comment from some angry ignoramus, who has obviously never been to the Wright brother’s museum at Kitty Hawk OBX or read any of their writings and engineering journals.

    If you knew even a small fraction about Orville and Wilbur (you silly troll), especially their reputation for being incredibly self-reliant, then you’d most likely brand them as:
    “Teabagger Neocons”

    So you’re either:
    an obvious liar, or some lefty ignoramus

    So, which is it, troll?

  12. IP727 on March 1, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    A lying lefty ignoramus, what else.

  13. Col. Beuregard Pompous on March 1, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    There is a difference between being conservative and being Conservative.

    It’s been thirty or forty years since I went to Kitty Hawk but I don’t remember learning that the Wright brother’s philosophy was “If at first you don’t succeed, just give up.”

  14. Anon-e-Moose™ on March 1, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    ”There is a difference between being conservative and being Conservative”

    LOL!!!

    And, let the backpedaling begin!

    You’re correct IP727; a lying lefty ignoramus, what else.

  15. Anon-e-Moose™ on March 1, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    I don’t remember learning that the Wright brother’s philosophy was “If at first you don’t succeed, just give up.”
    Col. McMoron

    Surely, you must be talking about the recklessly stupid kneejerk reaction of the unhinged left to ban oil drilling because of the Deep Water Horizon incident, right?

    Oh no, wait. That would continue to expose you as both a ‘lying lefty ignoramus’ as well as a flaming hypocrite.

    My, my — how the quality of poli’s trolls have degraded to such sad and pathetic levels

  16. )))LMFAO((( on March 1, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    What a bunch of crap!

    LMFAO!

    Add that smell to the GREEN compost bins that sit and rot waiting to be picked up.

    Boobs!

  17. The Trolls on March 1, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Buckminster Fuller recognized in the 1950′s that low flow toilets could cause problems…..

    Your link does not state this. Where in the link?

  18. The Trolls on March 1, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    We have to have Mommy clean out our training pants, so we’ll be off the thread for a bit.

  19. phineas gage on March 1, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    The whole thing stinks.

    BTW, Tyrone Jue is one peculiar name…..

  20. Toby Keith on March 1, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Your link does not state this. Where in the link?

    Actually his link does, where it talks about waste remains, but you’ll actually have to read……..

  21. Edward on March 1, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Thanks toby

    You’re faster than I am……

    There may be some scrolling between some pages.

    Of course it helps to know something about engineering and Fuller.

    Also if you are looking for Fuller to address San Fran directly, that would quite a feat…… The methods of Fuller are to be studied (anticipate what happens if you make changes to part to other aspects)… Never much cared for the ultimate designs that resulted, but that is an aesthetic judgment not a critique of the engineer or methods.

  22. The Trolls on March 1, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    but you’ll actually have to read…

    Oh, good, then rather than being snarky you can quickly provide the passage where Fuller states that low flow toilets are a problem.

  23. rightwingyahoo on March 1, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Well, for solids to flow in pipes, they must suspended in liquid. Reduce the liquid, reduce the flow. After a while you are blocked up.

    Solids do not flow, liquids do. This ain’t rocket science. (Actually, fluid dynamics are a critical part of rocket science, but the basic principles are easily understood.)

  24. phineas gage on March 1, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    ‘Solids do not flow’

    Well, except for a pyroclastic flow. Hopefully that’s not going to be encountered in indoor plumbing—only perhaps following the all-you-can-eat burrito buffet at the local Tex-Mex joint.

  25. The Trolls on March 1, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    The University of Queensland Pitch Drop Experiment is legendary:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_drop_experiment

    Myself I am a huge fan of Osborne Reynolds and the number named after him (although Stokes originated much of the theory), particularly flow at extremely low Reynolds numbers.

  26. )))LMFAO((( on March 1, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    What’s a popular pickup line heard in SF Bay Area bars?

    May I push in your stool.

    LMFAO!

  27. Ken_phd on March 1, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Pluto:

    “Myself I am a huge fan of Osborne Reynolds and the number named after him..”

    And speaking of your favorites, let’s not forget Al Gore and his famous Chicken Little AGW algorithm.

  28. Edward on March 1, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Figure 2-11 page 30 of Bucky Works, a biography of Buckminster Fuller

  29. The Trolls on March 1, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Actually, Mommy runs a hose from the fire hydrant out front to clean out our training pants, so toilets, high or low flow, are not an issue for us–we just use our training pants.

  30. anonymous un-RINO on March 2, 2011 at 3:41 am

    Sanitary sewer systems are designed based upon anticipated hydraulic flow (duh), and in residential areas that’s generally a per capita flow rate per day.

    Now, cut that hydraulic flow rate in 1/2, but with the same capita producing waste, then you have the same mass of solids as original, but now with only 1/2 the hydraulic flow to carry it.

    Ipso ando facto, you have a greater probability of blockage in a gravity sewer if the hydraulic flow rate is suddenly reduced, as the San Francisco kooks have discovered.

    And once you develop an even partial blockage, and begin to slow down the velocity in that reach of gravity sewer below the 2fps scouring velocity, you can begin to see the blockage propagating. That reach of sewer becomes a settling tank (duh, again).

    To the lefty kooks: Whacked out envirokookism doesn’t work in sanitary engineering any more than it works in the church of global warming. Engineering is not your friend, in either case.

  31. Neocon Wingnut on March 2, 2011 at 3:59 am

    Summary:

    Ignorant donks bury their liberal cities in their own crap

    but then need conservative engineers to fix their mess

    par for the course

    And, as un-rino said, all this foolishness is brought to you by:
    “The church of global warming”

  32. The Trolls on March 2, 2011 at 7:21 am

    <i.And speaking of your favorites, let’s not forget Al Gore

    How could you possibly know who I admire?

    Al Gore is your meme.

  33. Edward on March 2, 2011 at 9:06 am

    How could you possibly know who I admire?

    Of course one can not, BUT if you sounded less like you’re having a Gore-gasm every time AWG comes up no one would make that assumption.

    OF course lefties NEVER make assumptions about conservatives……….

  34. The Trolls on March 2, 2011 at 9:49 am

    BUT if you sounded less like you’re having a Gore-gasm every time AWG comes up

    Uh, no. Gore is the poster child of AGW for the right, not the left. I have never paid much attention to Gore. I find AGW very interesting, but for reasons completely unlike your reasons for posting on AGW threads. For example, in 2012 I am sailing my 32 foot wooden sailboat to Greenland. These past few weeks I have been immersing myself in learning how to use the 500 mb contour graphs to anticipate 48 and 72 hr changes in the surface barometric graphs.

  35. The Trolls on March 2, 2011 at 9:51 am

    OF course lefties NEVER make assumptions about conservatives…

    I think it is a human trait to assume and judge, and neither left or right, religious or atheist are immune.

  36. edward on March 3, 2011 at 6:20 am

    I find AGW very interesting, but for reasons completely unlike your reasons for posting on AGW threads.

    1. what do you think my reasons are?
    2. I have a friend who is both a meteorologist and sailor (small craft). I don’t know if he has done much ocean sailing but if you’d like I’ll talk to him and perhaps you two can have a conversation or two about weather and sailing. I am sure he can offer insights I lack.

  37. […] THIS is really funny to me as […]

  38. Patrick on July 25, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    The Wright brothers and their entire family were indeed conservative. Proof —> http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Wright_Bros/wright_family/WR1.htm

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *