Victory Mosques

August 14, 2010

Does Islam really have a history of building mosques at the site of its conquests? Let’s consider just the following examples:

1. The Kaaba, the holiest site in Islam:

At the time of Muhammad (CE 570–632), his tribe the Quraysh was in charge of the Kaaba, which was at that time a shrine containing hundreds of idols representingArabian tribal gods and other religious figures, including Jesus and Mary. Muhammad earned the enmity of his tribe by claiming the shrine for the new religion of Islam that he preached. He wanted the Kaaba to be dedicated to the worship of the one God alone, and all the idols evicted. The Quraysh persecuted and harassed him continuously, and he and his followers eventually migrated to Medina in 622.

After this pivotal migration, or Hijra, the Muslim community became a political and military force. In 630, Muhammad and his followers returned to Mecca as conquerors, and he destroyed the 360 idols in and around the Kaaba. While destroying each idol, Muhammad recited Qu’ran 17:81 which says “Truth has arrived and falsehood has perished for falsehood is by its nature bound to perish.”

The Kaaba was re-dedicated as an Islamic house of worship, and henceforth, the annual pilgrimage was to be a Muslim rite, the Hajj, which visits the Kaaba and other sacred sites around Mecca.

2. The Hagia Sophia, the largest Christian cathedral for nearly a thousand years:

The church contained a large collection of holy relics and featured, among other things, a 49 foot (15 m) silver iconostasis. It was the seat of the Patriarch of Constantinople and the religious focal point of the Eastern Orthodox Church for nearly one thousand years. It is the church in which Cardinal Humbert in 1054 excommunicated Michael I Cerularius – which is commonly considered the start of the Great Schism.

In 1453, Constantinople was conquered by the Ottoman Turks and Sultan Mehmed II ordered the building to be converted into a mosque. The bells, altar, iconostasis, and sacrificial vessels were removed and many of the mosaics were eventually plastered over. The Islamic features — such as the mihrab, theminbar, and the four minarets outside — were added over the course of its history under the Ottomans. It remained as a mosque until 1935, when it was converted into a museum by the [secularist] Republic of Turkey.

3. The Babri Masjid, built on perhaps the holiest site in all Hinduism:

When the Muslim emperor Babur came down from Farghana in 1527, he defeated the Hindu King of Chittorgarh, Rana Sangram Singh at Fatehpur Sikri, using cannon and artillery. After this victory, Babur took over the region, leaving his general, Mir Banki, in charge as Viceroy.

Mir Banki enforced Mughal rule over the population and used terror to maintain control over the civilian population. Mir Banki came to Ayodhya in 1528 and built the Mosque destroying the temple.

Ayodhya is revered by devout Hindus as the birthplace of ancient King of India and Hindu God Rama, believed by Hindus to be an avatar of Vishnu. Mir Baqi after building the mosque on the site of the destroyed temple called it Babri Masjid (Mosque), named after his master Babar.

4. The Great Mosque Of Cordoba, which like its proposed namesake in New York, was built to dominate a conquered people:

The building was begun in approximately AD 600 as the Christian Visigothic church of St. Vincent. After the Islamic conquest of the Visigothic kingdom the Emir Abd ar-Rahman I bought the church. Abd ar-Rahman I and his descendants reworked it over two centuries to refashion it as a mosque, starting in 784.

There were countless other mosques similarly built, meant to convey the enduring dominance of Islam over all other religions. Can we endure such a mosque next to Ground Zero?

45 Responses to Victory Mosques

  1. Louie Gohmert for POTUS on August 14, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    OK, I get the point. But, do you really think that Muslims “conquered” NYC? OK they raised some heck for sure, killed many citizens, declared war. Helped GWB (no sense in denying it).

    My view is that they won shit. And I don’t like the idea of giving them too much credit for their hatred.

  2. artist on August 14, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    New Mason Dixon poll has Rubio up.

  3. Front burner issue on August 14, 2010 at 4:10 pm

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  4. Global Cooling on August 14, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    And I don’t like the idea of giving them too much credit for their hatred.
    — — —

    When you say “them”,
    are you talking about Islamofascists, or Liberals?
    LOL!!! 😆

    Hard to tell the difference these days, I know!

    But, in either case, I agree that neither group of the America-hating extremist should be given too much credit for their vile hatred.

    Islam gained very little (if anything) for their hatred.
    Liberals and Obama were elected based upon hatred, and what good has it done for the country???

    Pathetically inept corruption and fraud is what they’ve brought.

    • The only good from 9/11 attack is strongly uniting our nation against terrorists enough to fight back.

    • The only good from electing Obama (the political version of 9/11) is waking the sleeping giant in this nation – and uniting Conservatives & Independents against the idiocy of liberalism enough to fight back against it.

    They’ll get a small sample of our unified response in 2½ months.

  5. Global Cooling on August 14, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    ROFLOL!!!!!!! 😆

    Obungle has already started to backpedal his emphatic endorsement of the terrorist monument at Ground-Zero from his earlier statement to the Muslim ‘Ramadan’ religious dinner.


    “I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there, I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding.”

    Ah, c’mon ~ Tell the truth for a change Barry; you ‘DO’ believe that it ‘IS’ very wise to build the terrorist monument, don’t you??
    …of course you do.

    But now you say that you won’t “comment on the wisdom”, which really means that (for political reasons) you’re not going to keep blathering about how you so enthusiastically support the terrorist monument at Ground-Zero.

    Wow! ~ You’d think that these ObamaBot sheep would eventually grow tired of the bumbling bungling colossal missteps of this ROOKIE political hack who continues to embarrass and humiliate the Democrat Party.

    But they don’t grow tired of it.

    That’s what happens when you decide to let the government do all your thinking for you; it turns them into a brain-dead liberal who mindlessly supports all levels of absurdity from their slave masters.

    Liberals! ~ what a pathetic gaggle of zombies.

  6. Global Cooling on August 14, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    An Outstanding Question :

    If it’s okay to build an Islamic victory Mosque on the ruins of Ground Zero, then is it okay to build…

    An enormously huge “Robert K. Byrd Ku Klux Klan 😯 Memorial Cultural and Education Center” adjacent to the tiny little Martin Luther King Jr. Center and burial place???????

    — — —

    Well, if that is not allowed in Atlanta, then why are liberals supporting the terrorist monument at Ground-Zero???


  7. setnaffa on August 14, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Democrat => dhimmi-crat now… unless they are willing to repudiate the President and the NYC commission that approved the mosque but has not yet approved rebuilding the Catholic Church damaged during the 9/11/2001 attacks…

    Cowards, collaborators, and traitors.

  8. Global Cooling on August 14, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Once Again…
    – If building a “Robert K. Byrd Ku Klux Klan Memorial Cultural and Education Center” next to the Martin Luther King Jr. Center and burial place is not allowed in Atlanta, then why are liberals supporting the terrorist monument at Ground-Zero???

    :::::::crickets still chirping:::::::

  9. Global Cooling on August 14, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Cowards, collaborators, and traitors.

    That’s the short definition of “liberalism”.


  10. Ben Crain on August 14, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    There is huge opposition to the construction of this damn thing. Blocking it outright would clearly be un-consitutional. But there is an obvious way to block it that is perfectly constitutiona, legal, and ethical. Just don’t build it! By which I mean: the muslim “leaders” who are pushing this are not going to build it. Not themselves. They will need lots of construction workers, electricians, plumbers, architects, etc. Well, they might find enough muslim architects, but for the rest they will have to employ “Real Americans”. Unionized probably — it being NY — but nonetheless. To stop it the construction workers, electricians, plumbers, etc., just have to refuse to do it. Sure, that’s asking a lot: these people are hurting from the recession, and this would be good work — “good” in a narrow economic sense. Perhaps it would be asking too much of them to just refuse this one job. But, But — they are patriots too. They live in and around NY. They share in the loss and grief of Ground Zero. I’d bet good money that, given a well-organized campaign to appeal to their patriotism — or just their sense of basic decency, and appreciation of the threat muslim radicalism poses to all of us (and I’d bet their sense of that is much more acute than among our soi-disant elites!) — given a groundswell of opinion that Americans should not cooperate in building this obscenity, they would, on the whole, simply refuse to do it. And the project would die, on the perfectly legal, constitutional, and ethical grounds that (almost) nobody will actually build it.

    Now who or what will lead such a campaign?

  11. dch on August 14, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Isn’t the Mosque over the temple wall in Jerusalem another example of them co-opting/dominating another religion?

  12. )))McrawledunderaRock((( on August 15, 2010 at 12:13 am

    :::::::crickets still chirping:::::::



  13. edward on August 15, 2010 at 1:54 am

    Global Cooling:

    The American Left…. cowering before terrorists; killing the innocent unborn.

  14. sissy on August 15, 2010 at 3:32 am

    I heard a caller on a radio show state that the city of NY refused to allow a Greek Orthodox Church to be rebuild that was destroyed on 9/11. Does anyone know if this is true?
    If it is then the Freedom of Religion is not being equally applied and someone needs to ask Obama if he thinks that one needs to be allowed too.

  15. Global Cooling on August 15, 2010 at 7:00 am

    Well, what do you know??

    Of all people LEAST likely to dispel myths about radical lefties,
    …Maureen Dowd 😯 shoots down the deceiving title:

    A couple cherry-picked points to illustrate:

    “After Bush, Democrats thought the way to paper over the distinction between liberals and radical lefties was to call everyone “Progressives”. But calling yourself a progressive is just a stupid disguise where you pretend the contradiction isn’t there.

    There are deep schisms within the Democratic Party that were masked for a time, first by Bush and then by Obama’s election. Now that the Democrats have the presidency and the power and can enact legislation, it’s apparent that the word “Progressive” is kind of meaningless.

    Obama got elected because of the clarity of his campaign and his speeches. But, surprisingly, he’s in some ways an INCOHERENT president.

    — — —

    That last sentence wasn’t really about the deceptive & meaningless title: “Progressive”, which fraudulently attempts to lump the radical leftist-loonies and the moderates / blue-dogs into some imaginary “harmonized group”…
    …but it is also insightful to see the radical left’s disgust with Obama because even he isn’t radical enough for their extremist Marxist agenda.

    This highlights one key Fact (an irrefutable FACT):

    That the fringe left (although loud and seemingly large), is nothing but a small angry minority who has completely LOST the support of: moderate Democrats, blue-dog Dems, Independents, Rinos and (not that they ever had them, but) all Conservatives.

    The current “Majority” is undeniably comprised of:
    …those who are against the crazies on the radical left.

    Even Maureen Dowd (being one of those ‘crazies’) acknowledges that this is a FACT, and any idiotic attempts to lump everyone under the “stupid disguise” of “Progressive” is just something designed to Fool themselves.

    Of course, ‘fooling themselves’ is what the fringe leftist loonies are best at.


  16. Jay on August 15, 2010 at 7:05 am

    Nice to see Obama demonstrating Islam comes before Americans.

  17. Global Cooling on August 15, 2010 at 7:14 am

    In other news…

    Crist losing ground to Rubio

    Perhaps those “deep schisms within the Democratic Party” are now spilling-over and dragging down the Rino-liberal wannabes?

  18. Global Cooling on August 15, 2010 at 7:16 am

    …Then again,
    maybe it’s because the little Oompa-Loompa
    fell for the blatant lie that supporting ObungleCare
    would help his chances of being re-elected.

    Oh wait, it doesn’t help???
    …Hmm, imagine that!

  19. Global Cooling on August 15, 2010 at 7:22 am

    ”Nice to see Obama demonstrating Islam comes before Americans.”
    — — —

    Yes, and isn’t it interesting that a simple question cannot be answered:

    – If building a “Robert K. Byrd Ku Klux Klan Memorial Cultural and Education Center”…
    …next to the Martin Luther King Jr. Center and burial place is neither appropriate, nor allowed in Atlanta, then why are liberals supporting the terrorist monument at Ground-Zero??? 😳

    :::::::louder crickets chirping:::::::

  20. Nate on August 15, 2010 at 7:41 am

    Is anyone actually suprised that obama chose to side with islam over the will of the American people?

    I doubt if even the lefty wackos are surprised by this.

  21. artist on August 15, 2010 at 7:49 am

    GOP senator suggests mosque will be election issue


    WASHINGTON – A Republican senator is suggesting there could be political fallout from President Barack Obama’s remarks about building a mosque near the site of the Sept. 11 attacks in New York City.

    Texas Sen. John Cornyn (KOHR’-nihn) says Obama is “disconnected from mainstream America” and that voters this fall will “render their verdict.” Cornyn leads the GOP’s Senate campaign committee.

    Obama has said that religious freedom allows the mosque to be built. But he says he’s not commenting on “the wisdom” of building a mosque two blocks from ground zero.

  22. Ron Stancil on August 15, 2010 at 8:32 am

    We are supposed to be a nation of laws, not men. If there is not a legal way to prevent this from being built (zoning, building code that exists at the time of the proposal to build), and the funds to build it are not illegally obtained (thorough investigation of the group proposing it), then we cannot stop it. That said, the motives of those building it must be questioned. The way I see it is:

    Muslim_1: Hey I have an idea, lets build a mosque at ground zero
    Muslim_2: Are you out of you mind? you would piss off everyone around there
    Muslim_1: EXACTLY


  23. Jorge on August 15, 2010 at 9:05 am

    I call on the unions of New York to stand up and fight this. Constuction unions are very powerful in New York. They can stop this even after it gets the govt OK with permits and all. The union workers can refuse to work on the project and stop non-union workers from entering the site.
    Strong armed tactics are the unions specialty.

  24. Nate on August 15, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Jorge makes a good point.
    The NYC Unions are a likely way to derail the insanity of this tribute to terrorism.

  25. Global Cooling on August 15, 2010 at 10:29 am
  26. setnaffa on August 15, 2010 at 10:35 am

    The unions seem more interested in money than America. They supported the dhimmicrats in every election. They facilitate illegal immigration. In spite of the terrorists killing union cops and fireman, they continue to elect and reelect people who defile their memory.

    I do not believe we will find help from them.

  27. Global Cooling on August 15, 2010 at 10:38 am

    A Republican senator is suggesting there ”could be” political fallout from President Barack Obama’s remarks about building a mosque near the site of the Sept. 11 attacks in New York City

    Ahem… Seriously?

    “COULD be”???

    That’s like saying that the liberal’s Tax Increases “Could be” harmful to our struggling economy.

    Oh wait… The idiotic left cannot comprehend that basic concept either.


  28. artist on August 15, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Could be?


    He’s getting obliterated.

  29. Jorge on August 15, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    The rank and file constuction workers are more concervative than you think. We all don’t vote democratic just because they tell us to. They take our money and give it to democrats but there is not much we can do about that.

    Local union workers can derail this building. There are all sorts of ways to do it. Starting with the delivery of material to the site.

  30. rightwingyahoo on August 15, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    I’m sure the muzzies could import muslim scabs and get her done. If Bloomberg and Obama gave them a pass on it, no?

  31. Evan3457 on August 15, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Heck, why bother with that rightwingyahoo?

    Just sneak ’em across the Arizona border, and drive ’em too New York. We have no right to stop them, to question their papers.

    Then after they build the Islamic Victory Tower, then can join Al Qaeda in America.

    A 3-for-1 for them.

  32. setnaffa on August 15, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    While I’m not yet convinced that local members are conservative, I am certain that no cement is going to be delivered to a building site that’s using scab labor…

  33. Ming Bucibei on August 16, 2010 at 3:30 am

    BTW PROGRESSIVE is an old communist code word for communist

    The dome of the rock mosque is built over the Jewish temple (Temple mount) site in Jerusalem

    Ming Bucibei

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  35. John on August 23, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Of course they could never officially conquer our land and defeat our military, but they conquered us on 9/11 and this “community center” is their trophy. The irony is that the mosque will probably be completed before the new trade center is built.

  36. Sfnychick on August 25, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    I’d be interested to know how many churches were built when invading Christians took over “pagan” lands. Any research on that? I think you’ll find that the Muslims have no more sinister intention than the Christians.

    BTW, did you see what the Catholics did to the beautiful mosque at Cordoba? That’s right…they converted it into a church, defacing some of its beautiful architecture in the process.

  37. SoDidYou on August 27, 2010 at 12:28 am

    OH so there is something insidiously evil about building a community center 2 blocks away from ground zero by a group of Muslims. Christians must be insidiously evil then too, because they built a VICTORY CHURCH on the actual RUINS of a conquered peoples temple in Mexico. Right on top of the rubble, not a mile away, and they used the destroyed temples rubble in the construction of the VICTORY CHURCH.

  38. William Williams on September 7, 2010 at 6:08 am

    You are all crazy. Obviously believe in CONservative governMENt.

  39. Ingomar Gruentahl on September 24, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Reading on Moslem conquests, I was struck by a historical pattern: supposedly, the Moslem host on the warpath would infiltrate or take a town or city and would immediately seek to establish a Ribat, or fort, centrally and prominently located, to signal their domineering presence over a population far greater in number, and whose vast majority had not yet submitted to Islam. In due time the Ribat would become a Kasbah, or citadel, integrating the various aspects of Muslim life, political, religious, and military.

    There is tremendous symbolism at play, and it is apparently lost on Americans, who know nothing of history, and could not care less. But Moslems know their history, and care immensely. They are getting the upper hand. Americans, in their ignorance, are playing the role of unwitting accomplices. The pattern at issue is fairly what the Moslem proponents of the mosque near ground zero, New York City, intend: in the major city of a nation, most of whose citizens are nominally Christian, or of Christian ancestry, the locale of the mosque -or Muslim community centre- would be a powerful signal of Moslem presence at the heart of the Manhattan, and of ultimate ‘victory’ over the infidel. He would be submitted piecemeal to Islam through generational conversions, as in ancient Persia, after the Moslem conquest. Islam, definitely a religion of the sword.

    The question, of course, is why the American Establishment preaches tolerance and fails to note the historical pattern? I surmise that the interests of the American elite -which may believe in some sort of Dawg, but, above all, believes in money and in power- are so compromised with the interests of the Arab elite, that the intent is to allow for the penetration and growth of Islam in the United States, initially through immigration. Necessary, then, to modify the natural antipathy of one culture to another. Americans must be schooled to accept the presence of Islam.

    There will be a period of tension between Islam and the general population in the US, but it will not be prolonged, except, possibly, in the Bible Belt South. Then conversions will start to flow, and they will be surprisingly numerous. After all, there is a tremendous spiritual vacuum in this country, as in Europe. People need to believe in something. Unlike Christian denominations, including the Catholic, which all seem passé, and Judaism, a “fossil” religion (Freud) that recedes in numbers, Islam, the youngest of the so-called ‘Abrahamic faiths’, does present a front of apparent greater vigour and commitment, covering all aspects of life. It is ‘new goods’ in Peoria, and ‘new’ is good to a consumer society.

    The Zeitgeist may well be Moslem, an élan, at least that’s how Moslems perceive it: the Imam of the proposed centre did declare on Larry King that it is now their “moment.” Read all about it. Google Gruenebaum, Philip Hitti.

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