Is NPR a hate group?
KPBS, the local NPR affiliate, titles a discussion on Tea Parties “Are Tea Partiers Hate Groups?”
The panel included Richard Rider, who eloquently explained the Tea Party movement, a Poway Tea Party woman who was sincere but a bit confused and garbled, a “peace” professor and a Southern Poverty Law Center representative. Rider had to single-handedly calmly explain what the Tea Party was about as the hysterical leftist panelists and NPR listeners speculated about racist motives and terrorist offshoots. Our friend Sarah Bond also phoned in and had a couple minutes to enlighten the paranoid.
The callers had the typical naive liberal viewpoints and comments. A sampling (paraphrased):
- Where were these people when Bush was running up deficits? (Answer: we were screaming about Bush deficits, but Obama’s spending makes Bush’s look frugal by comparison.)
- The Fire Deparment and Police Department are government, so how can you be against the government? (Answer: the fact that some services may be effectively provided by government does not justify the Federal Leviathan or infinite government expansion and intrusion into every aspect of our lives. They ought to make you liberals take a logic class before giving you your government jobs.)
- The Tea Party had a racist vibe because while I went with my Asian neighbors and there were people of all races there including African-American speakers like Damon Dunn and Mason Weaver, I’m still an NPR listener and see racism everywhere I look. (Answer: While the Tea Party movement has people of all races who are concerned about reckless spending and runaway government, it’s a shame that NPR and other big media organizations try to portray the Tea Parties as racist to scare minorities away from this movement so vital to the future of children of all races.)
- The Tea Party had a racist vibe because some guy had a sign with Obama as Heath Ledger’s Joker and I’m an NPR listener and see racism everywhere I look. (Answer: What’s racist about Heath Ledger? Was it racist to depict Bush as the same Heath Ledger Joker?)
If you are still unclear on this, don’t believe what you hear on NPR, CNN, or MSNBC. Go to your next local Tea Party. Tuesday’s nationwide protest against ObamaCare would be a good start. More info about the San Diego event here.
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March 13th, 2010 at 8:32 am
” Where were these people when Bush was running up deficits? (Answer: we were screaming about Bush deficits, but Obama’s spending makes Bush’s look frugal by comparison.)”
You have an archive. Prove it.
“The Fire Deparment and Police Department are government, so how can you be against the government? (Answer: the fact that some services may be effectively provided by government does not justify the Federal Leviathan or infinite government expansion and intrusion into every aspect of our lives. …)”
Yes, but the fact that your anti-government rhetoric (or should it more properly be referred to as hysteria) serve to erode trust in ALL government institutions, including the military and public safety. Furthermore, the federal deficit crisis, brought about primarily by huge tax cuts to the rich under Bush, and the war, have reduced tax revenues to the point where these services are being CUT all over the country. When Norqvist says “Starve the Beast” I don’t remember him excluding these government services. I thought that you Wingnuts want all of these to be take over by private interests anyway, you know because that’s the american (capitalist mobster) way?
Maybe the media will finally wake up to the ugly undercurrents running within the so-called Tea party movement. There may be some honest people mixed among the crazies, but at this point I’d say the ratio is uncomfortably skewed toward the crazy.
March 13th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Answer: we were screaming about Bush deficits
Liar. Taxcuts ($1.7 T) – cheered. 2 wars ($600B) – cheered. Wingnuts didn’t give a crap about the deficit until Democrats took Congress.
Answer: the fact that some services may be effectively provided by government does not justify the Federal Leviathan or infinite government expansion and intrusion into every aspect of our lives.
It’s HCR…friggin’ HEALTH CARE. But please, feel free to point out any government expansion created by the bill. Speaking of government expansion – what was the Wingnut response to real government expansion in the form of Dept of Homeland Security? Yep, cheering.
While the Tea Party movement has people of all races…
Liar. Here’s a youtube link for “Tea Party protests.” Feel free to point out the videos depicting non-white races. White dudes in Obama masks don’t count.
March 13th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Blacks Against 0bama”
March 13th, 2010 at 11:40 am
While the Tea Party movement has people of all races…
Liar.
…..
Your ignorance is astounding.
March 13th, 2010 at 11:44 am
Obama is a lying, corrupt communist who has been outed.
Your lies have finally been exposed. You can’t keep people ignorant these days.
Sucks to have the state-run media challenged, doesn’t it?
Indies are going GOP 3-1 all over the country.
Even deep blue states like MA and NJ are rejecting communism.
Losers.
March 13th, 2010 at 11:47 am
I dare you frauds to attempt Slaughter.
Please.
I’m begging you.
http://www.redstate.com/brian_d/2010/03/13/van-hollen-advises-silence-on-unconstitutional-obamacare-procedure/
March 13th, 2010 at 11:59 am
Your ignorance is astounding.
Not as astounding as your lies.
With all those blacks against Obama, it should be easy to get them to join the Tea Baggers, yet…
March 13th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Indies are going GOP 3-1 all over the country
Liar.
March 13th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Indies are going GOP 3-1 all over the country
Liar.
….
HAHAHA!
How many polls do you want to see?
I will make you look like the idiot you are.
March 13th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
With all those blacks against Obama, it should be easy to get them to join the Tea Baggers, yet…
….
Why are you obsessed with race?
Racist?
March 13th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
The Religious Right doesn’t seem too happy with the Tea Partiers either.
March 13th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
So?
March 13th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
EPIC FAILURE:
Daily Caller
Photo: Coffee Party rocking D.C. today
This weekend marks the kick-off of the Coffee Parties across the country— which has been billed as the liberal response to the Tea Party movement — and I stopped by one of the Washington D.C. area gatherings Saturday morning at Peregrine Espresso in the Eastern Market area — only to find a small gathering of five activists huddled at a small table…
They spoke mostly in generalities — not diving into the specifics of policy or really asserting positions on any topic — about health care, energy, poverty and climate change, though one participant said he feels strongly about immigration reform, explaining “everyone should live where they want to live.”
Hot Air.com
March 13th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Senate Republicans Stall Obama ‘s Ambassador Pick Over Cuba Concerns
FOXNews.com
Mari Carmen Aponte, who was nominated by Obama in December for ambassador to El Salvador, withdrew her nomination to another diplomatic post in the Clinton era following questions about her past relationship with someone who had apparently caught the attention of the FBI.
March 13th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/13/gop-lawmaker-white-house-job-offer-sestak-crime/
March 13th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
In Nov 2010 Democrats will get all the proof they need of where independents stand!
March 13th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
How many polls do you want to see?
One. Two if the first is Rasmussen.
Why are you obsessed with race?
Nice try. Where’s the proof of the Tea Baggers claim?
DC has a large AA community. That 1 million+ Tea Bagger march should have quite a few. Let’s see, AA make up ~12% of the population. If the Tea Baggers are truly representative of the country, there should be something close to that in it’s membership list. Though, obviously I not asking to see 120k black folk at that rally, cause we all know that’s not happening. I’ll give you 3 decimal places. Show me 0.012% or 120 black folk at that jumbo DC rally and I’ll fully and completely apologize.
March 13th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Jake,
Despite decades of liberal policy creating poverty and dependency in the African-American community, there are still few African-Americans willing to consider an alternative to the Democrat welfare state.
We celebrate and welcome those who break out of the orthodoxy, but we really can’t be held responsible if few do. After all, we have NPR and the MSM telling them we’re all racists.
March 13th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Then, W.C. Varones, you shall have no problem proving your claim.
March 13th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Concomitant Communist Caterwauling, Panic
But please, feel free to point out any government expansion created by the bill.
You goddamned lying communist, you know very well what the bill is, and don’t insult us by pretending otherwise…..
Liar. Taxcuts ($1.7 T) – cheered.
Of course. Tax cuts ARE small government, and they work, too. The ONLY thing that kept the economy from rolling over for a few years…..
2 wars ($600B) – cheered.
Wishing does make your enemies go away. We should have cut spending in other areas, and not floated the cost.
what was the Wingnut response to real government expansion in the form of Dept of Homeland Security? Yep, cheering.
Nonsense, many conservatives hate this dept, and would like to disband it, along with half a dozen others. Bush was not a conservative.
All in all, Bush’s and the R congress’ record on spending and government was pretty abysmal.
It’s not easy to be orders of magnitude worse than Bush, but Ogabe sure has done it, hasn’t he?
Bush “I’ll bankrupt the country in 8 years!”
Ogabe “I’ll bankrupt it 2″…..
March 13th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Whoops. “Wishing does NOT make your enemies go away”, I should have said….
March 13th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
“Is NPR A Hate Group?”
T”hey ought to make you liberals take a logic class before giving you your government jobs.”
“They” ought to give you Wingnuts a Civics class before giving your a forum in which to express your ignorance.
Exposing, slandering or even lying about another political group does not classify one as a Hate Group by current legal definitions. Is this a Hate Site?
Fox News, OTOH, has Glenn Beck, and Limbaugh’s network allow him to spew racist hatred frequently. I would say that these two major media outlets have crossed the line into being common sources of Hate Speech.
March 13th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
You goddamned lying communist, you know very well what the bill is, and don’t insult us by pretending otherwise…..
I know what the bill is. You, however, do not. You do have lie upon lie upon lie, though.
All the criticism Bush got from the right occurred AFTER the Democrats took Congress. After all the soul searching determined the Communists won because Republicans weren’t conservative enough.
I would never have believed Capt. America to be so full of bullshit.
March 13th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
ooops.
March 13th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Fox News, OTOH, has Glenn Beck, and Limbaugh’s network allow him to spew racist hatred frequently.
a-hahahaha. aaa haaaa…
I know what the bill is. You, however, do not. You do have lie upon lie upon lie, though.
It is the door thru which single payer, ie socialist medicine, and government/political control of life and death, will be shoved.
See Harkin, Tom, See, Frank, Barney. See Obama, Barack…
You godammned lying communist…
March 13th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
All the criticism Bush got from the right occurred AFTER the Democrats took Congress.
Not that I care whether you believe it, you gdlc, but the right started hitting Bush HARD around April 2002, and some in the summer of 2001. He was a liberal pansy from the get go and we on the right loathed Gore and got taken.
You never heard Limbaugh’s Jan 2005 monolougue telling Bush to shape up and fly right or get creamed next time around. That the American people were sick of his feckless meanderings and liberal suck up. The Bush WH told Limbaugh and others on the right to get stuffed…
By Nov. 2006, Bush was calling Rush’s show, begging for turnout.
March 13th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
The event in April 2002, that set the right on fire and made us all confess that Bush was a Jimmy Carter pantywaist POTUS and the whole GWOT was pointless and a giant pander to Islam at the cost of hundreds of billions of dollars we didn’t have and lives and families wrecked we couldn’t spare?
Bush telling Israel to retreat from the West Bank after a string of terror bombings… That was the culmination of about a half dozen events that let us know we were just taking up space with this guy.
Of course, Ogabe can’t even scratch up to Carter’s standards. heh.
March 13th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
Of course, we managed to hold on another 4 years, just on “The Democrats suck worse”…….
A sentiment which, at last, the general public is clearly coming to emphatically agree with, and better late than never.
But as usual, the problem is not the Communists. We know them, we know what bottom-sucking scum they are.
The problem is, there is no real alternative in the R party. There is nothing but Communists/Dems, or, welfare state Rs. And bankruptcy lies ahead, because of it, it’s only a matter each side taking a slightly different length of time to reach it.
But that won’t help you this November, you goddamned lying communist.
March 13th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Wingnuts yapping about everything but what’s in the post. You can sing and dance all you want, yahoo, but you haven’t addressed shit. Prove WCV’s claim or STFU.
March 13th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
Don’t argue with morons. Let Jake, McRock etc. rearrange the deck chairs of the Titanic all they want. Time to “hit the mattresses” and get busy calling congresspeople.
March 13th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Can I post?
March 13th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Let Jake, McRock etc. rearrange the deck chairs of the Titanic all they want.
You would need to actually set up them deck chairs before could we possibly move them.
Can I post?
Post all you want. Wouldn’t stop you if I could. Just spare me your moronic rants if you can’t or refuse to back up these claims.
Think artist will come back with that poll?
That’s ok, though. You guys will dance around like a bunch of retards till this post gets knocked off the front page. We’ll do this again the next time proof is demanded.
Wingnuts – All Bullshit, No Substance.
March 14th, 2010 at 4:26 am
Jake ==poster boy for the “useful idiot”
March 14th, 2010 at 7:29 am
NPR-National People’s Radio:
NPR has always and will always be anti-conservative. We should have defunded them completely years ago. They have only one show that is not politically biased toward the left….Car Talk, and they sure as hell would make that political if they could. So quit wishing to change that media, until such time that the Republicans can grow the cojones to shut them down for good…
March 14th, 2010 at 8:30 am
Car Talk, and they sure as hell would make that political if they could.
Why couldn’t they? I am curious.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:40 am
” Where were these people when Bush was running up deficits? (Answer: we were screaming about Bush deficits, but Obama’s spending makes Bush’s look frugal by comparison.)”
To repeat: You have an archive. Prove it.
Current summary: After more than 24 hours, the request to prove a claim using your very own archives as a resource has not been answered. At all.
Beginning to seriously question it’s truthfulness. Looking more and more like typical partisan political behavior (IOKYAR, etc.).
March 14th, 2010 at 9:15 am
McRock,
Since you asked so nicely, Once in a While You Get Shown the Light:
As mocked as Bush is for foreign policy, it’s his domestic policy that will ensure that he goes down as the worst President in history. A year ago, it looked like the worst thing Bush would do was Medicare Part D, the greatest expansion of entitlements in decades, which alone was enough to threaten the ability of future governments to meet their obligations. Since then, though, Bush has done so much destruction that Medicare Part D looks like a footnote.
Bush has nationalized the entire U.S. financial sector. If someone had predicted that four years, two years, or even one year ago, you would have thought he was crazy. And Bush has set the automakers on the path to nationalization, a course that will not be reversed unless Obama rips off his mask to expose the ghost of Milton Friedman underneath.
In a shockingly short time span, Bush has destroyed the U.S. free market system that served us so well for hundreds of years, and imposed European-style socialism. At this point, being like Europe is at the optimistic end of the spectrum of possible outcomes. With the staggering debt Bush has piled up, complete collapse of the dollar and/or the government are looking like real possibilities.
March 14th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Thanks, WC, that’s all I was asking for. The link certainly helps to clarify your position wrt criticism of Obama.
I still think its very silly to ask whether NPR is a “Hate Group”, for reasons I stated above.
March 14th, 2010 at 10:34 am
So you criticized Bush in December 2008, after Obama won the election. The NPR question was where were the Tea Baggers when Bush was running up the deficit.
But I guess retroactive Tea Bagging is better than none.
March 14th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Varones, I would not call Bush the worst US POTUS. I would say AMONG the worst. A small distinction, but I would say that Carter, Clinton, LBJ and maybe Nixon were worse, in the modern era. And Bush 41 was close to as bad…
Obama is certainly much worse…
And then you’d have to go back to Wilson and FDR to get that bad again..
March 14th, 2010 at 10:45 am
So you criticized Bush in December 2008, after Obama won the election.
A vote for his half-wit challenger in 2004 was not a critique?
This is what I referred to above:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110006230
You godammned lying communist.
ORLANDO, Fla.–In the aftermath of 9/11, conservatives bottled up their frustrations over some of President Bush’s policies. Then they muted their criticism during the presidential campaign. But now it is spilling out in all directions–and the White House had better pay attention.
On Friday Rush Limbaugh, a staunch Bush supporter, took two separate opportunities to warn the president that he faced conservative opposition on some key issues that could hurt his chances of passing the rest of his second-term agenda. First was federal spending, which “is surging out of control,” according to the Heritage Foundation’s new “Mandate for Leadership.” The other was immigration, which, Mr. Limbaugh told his listeners, “could break up the Republican-conservative coalition” à la Ross Perot. “We cannot maintain our sovereignty without securing and protecting our borders in an era where terrorists around the world seek entry to this country,” he said.
March 14th, 2010 at 10:54 am
Thank you, yahoo.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:12 am
WCV,
I apologize and retract my first iteration of calling you a liar.
March 14th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Jake, the linked post is about how and why Varones says he voted for Kerry over Bush in 2004. It was written in December 2008.
I agree, the timing of this online revelation is interesting.
If this guy can exhibit the kind of animus toward Bush seen in that article, I can easily imagine that there are other, many probably, similarly critical comments that can be found dating back from 2008 or even 2004…his blog archives go back that far.
So let’s see if he can respond to your concerns, which are also to some degree mine.
March 14th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
I conceded my point because of yahoo’s post. That was dated 2005. Though criticism today is much more severe than at that time and the Republicans enjoyed bringing legislation to vote without the ‘BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DEFICIT!?!?” cries.
I lowered the bar tremendously by asking for proof of ANY criticism about spending before Democrats took Congress and RWY delivered. Would it have been nice if there were proof of criticism to pending Republican legislation at the time? Sure, but to be fair, the political climate was different then. Any criticism of government, especially Bush, was considered high treason.
March 14th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Yes, but has the original assertion been proven?
“we were screaming about Bush deficits..”
Does any of this amount to “screaming” yet?
March 14th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Yes, but has the original assertion been proven?
Of course not and it will never be. We all know there were no “deficit” protests occurring under Republican rule or any financial reporters screaming into the camera.
The original assertion, “we were screaming about Bush deficits,” is exaggeration. Change it to, “some were expressing concerns about Bush deficits,” and it would be more accurate. Though, WCV was full of crap, there was a tiny bit of truth, so my claim of “liar” was inaccurate. Disingenuous, yes.
If he’ll back up his other claims, who knows. I do have one prediction: Tea Baggers will disband when the next Republican is elected president. Their retroactive Republican criticism is only to obfuscate and give “credibility” to their current actions.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
“Tea Baggers will disband when the next Republican is elected president. ”
Yet another Catch-22 set up by Your Modern Day Wingnut, eh?
I’d like them to disappear, so if a Republican is elected….but I don’t want a Republican to be president, so, ah….
You want to know the truth? I couldn’t care less about the Tea Party. They’re a joke. I’m much more concerned about the media for one, and corporate links to politicians on both political sides, two. One is obviously linked to two.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Tea Baggers are a joke. I think there was a poll once that showed they only had 30% approval amongst Republicans. My only concern was them getting elected to office, but NY-23 relieved me of that fear. They can safely be ignored. That Gandhi quote isn’t applicable.