The Good Old Days
By PoliPundit ~ March 8th, 2010 @ 12:43 pm
Rahm Emanuel and Eric Massa, during the 2006 campaign.
(via Political Wire)
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March 8th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
seems like there has always been mistrust between Massa and Emmanuel. I agree with the old guy in the front of the car … “F*ck Him!” (in reference to Emmanuel).
March 8th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Rahm, Rahm wants to bomb, bomb (Iran)
March 8th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
IMPLOSION
March 8th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
But Sarah Palin still snuck into Canada for healthcare.
March 8th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
I wonder if she personally witnessed the death panels in Canada. Please Sarah. Tell us. Were there death panels?
March 8th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Who says the Democrats and the Media aren’t in bed together?
http://tinyurl.com/ybf8jkp
March 8th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
Hi George!
Quick Lesson for ya before you crawl back to Daily Kos land:
1. Sarah was refering to an emergency situation in the 60′s when they apparently didn’t have much out in the outback where her family was at the time. Calgary was the closest.
2. Whatever Health Servives they recieved in in the 60′s, they would have had to pay for. Canada didn’t get Nationalized Healthcare rolled out until the early 70′s.
3. Not sure how it is in your family, but Sarah didn’t get have much input in the call regardless, she was a wee brat at the time.
4. I frankly think it is pretty ironic, considering the number of Canadians who end up having to come down here to get medically necessary procedures done.
5. Are you and your overemotive twit friends suggesting we need to develop a system that will REALLY REALLY encourage our neighbors to the south to come up here for free health care, as you are erroneously suggesting happened in this case? I don’t think you guys thought this one through, you hate, so you immediately kick when she speaks.
March 8th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Calgary was the closest
URRP! Whitehorse, not Calgary.
Calgary was where she gave the speech.
March 8th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Most Democrats know the drill. When Rahm approached them in the shower totally nude, it’s best to close their eyes until it’s over with.
March 8th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
george==chekote
March 8th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Dennis Kucinich had better avoid the exercise gym for a while because they’re trying to lobby him right now.
March 8th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
She said that she was 5 at the time. That would make it in 1969. Canada got socialized medicine in 1966 according to Wikipedia. I wonder if her brother had to wait 20 hours in the waiting room or if he got decent care. I’m betting on the latter. A lot of things in America are driven by fear. I’m sure the Canadian system is not perfect but everytime a survey is done of Canadians, they are very happy with it. Would it work in the United States? Probably not. Is it something to be scared of? Unlikely.
March 8th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
Jim DeMint says Jeb Bush for president.
Next time you think to yourself that Jim DeMint should ever be president think twice. This guy is a real skunk.
March 8th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Welcome bacik George-
from the source,
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/pubs/system-regime/2005-hcs-sss/time-chron-eng.php
The pertinent piece:
1972
Yukon creates medical insurance plans with federal cost sharing, April 1.
Yes, Canada had passed their Health Care Travesty in the 60′s, but implemnening the boondoggle took longer- much like the crap we are getting forced down our throats is taking up to 5 years to be implemented (but the taxes start NOW! FUN!!!!).
March 8th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
george==chekote
Seriously???
Why the name change if so?
March 8th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Quick Dems, don’t play defense, change the subject to Sarah Palin.
March 8th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Al Gore back to his scandalous, illegitimate, self-enriching, soapbox about how the end of the world is coming if we don’t bow down before the Global Warming Gods:
(and open our walets to them)
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/03/03/gore_still_hot_on_his_doomsday_rhetoric/
March 8th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Please Change it to Sarah Palin-
only serves to get the negative stuff out of the way and answered early if she decides to run.
March 9th, 2010 at 3:24 am
only serves to get the negative stuff out of the way and answered early
Problem is that she is a perpetual negative stuff machine. Also known as a gift that keeps on giving.
March 9th, 2010 at 3:28 am
Al Gore…
Who cares about Al Gore? He is about as meaningful to global warming as Sarah Palin is to national politics. That is, debate on both issues would continue unabated in their absence.
March 9th, 2010 at 6:08 am
See here for what awaits Americans when progressives run the health-care system.
March 9th, 2010 at 6:24 am
And this.
Why are liberals and progressives such bastards?
March 9th, 2010 at 6:32 am
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/08/poll-obama-dems-losing-ground/
March 9th, 2010 at 7:12 am
Most Obama voters are having “buyer’s remorse”!
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/01/15/american-voter-buyers-remorse-majority-would-vote-against-obama/
March 9th, 2010 at 7:48 am
from Public Policy Polling:
Tough Road Ahead for Crist
Raleigh, N.C. – Republican voters have really soured on Charlie Crist, and it appears he will have an exceptionally difficult time getting elected to the US Senate this year.
Crist’s approval rating with likely Republican primary voters is only 29%, with 56% of them disapproving of him. He’s still decently popular with party moderates at a 46/41 approval spread, but with the conservatives who make up most of its voters he’s at a negative 20/64.
Crist now trails Marco Rubio 60-28.
March 9th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Canadian “Death Panel” at work…bureaucracy kills!
h/t Taranto
http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/mark_bonokoski/2010/03/06/13138311.html
March 9th, 2010 at 9:02 am
george==chekote
also, IIRC, Chekote would have been a GeorgIA, unless, of course, there was an operation I missed a discussion about somewhere…
March 9th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Canadian “Death Panel” at work…bureaucracy kills!
Good thing there’s nothing like the Canadian system proposed in the HCR bill, huh? Seriously, what’s the infatuation with the Canadians? Their system sucks big donkey balls.
March 9th, 2010 at 10:24 am
“Seriously, what’s the infatuation with the Canadians? Their system sucks big donkey balls.”
Not sure on the infatuation with Canadian Health Care- merely provided link to assist George…he (she?it?tranny?all attempts have been made to be inclusive).
I disagree on the donkey reference- I would think it is more Moose, or perhaps Caribou.
You are correct that there is no single payer system in this bill- but you are leaving out where the Administration is selling it to the progressive wing of the party as “the first step in getting there”.
March 9th, 2010 at 10:27 am
It is because all socialized health treatment delivery systems have evolved into rationed systems, with treament regulations defined by govenment committee(s) that dictate quality of life vs. costs parameters. Please see the British NHS scandal in the link above.
HONKKKK! WRONG. There are multiple quality-of-life vs. treatment cost controls in our HCR that will interfere in private care decisions, that DO amount to death panel(s). Dolt. It’s one of the reasons members of Congress are the only ones exempt from HCR provisions.
I thought progs based decisions on history’s lessons and are devoted to egalitarianism. Apparently not, eh?
March 9th, 2010 at 10:40 am
“It is because all socialized health treatment delivery systems have evolved into rationed systems, with treament regulations defined by govenment committee(s) that dictate quality of life vs. costs parameters.”
This type of comment can only be made by someone who is purposefully or accidentally totally ignorant of the private for-profit health care system that we have in the US.
Woefully ignorant.
March 9th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Check out the Links Hot Air gives, with various Administration officials talkinfg about how we this merely a step on the road to a single payer system like Europe or as Sebelius says in one clip CANADA! (GASP!).
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/04/obama-comforts-house-liberals-dont-worry-this-bill-is-just-the-beginning-of-what-well-do-with-health-care/
Again, we may not be going there directly, but that is their goal, and this puts us well on the way.
So Jake, if you honestly think Canada’s HC system sucks Donkey, Moose, Caribou, or any other large mammal testicles, I strongly suggest you rethink whick party you are supporting in this mess.
Time to scrap this pile of crap and start over.
March 9th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Sebelius, STILL signalling White House will go to the mat for a single payer system like Canada:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/82065-sebelius-administration-may-fight-for-public-option
March 9th, 2010 at 11:25 am
- “It is because all socialized health treatment delivery systems have evolved into rationed systems, with treament regulations defined by govenment committee(s) that dictate quality of life vs. costs parameters.”- After being in the military under real socialized medicine, I can tell you that there was no rationed care. Yes, the government tells you what kind of care you can get, but they sure as hell didn’t cut corners, and to be honest, it was a damn sight better than what I get under the private care that I use now. I really don’t know why you’re so afraid of it. Again, when I was in the military, that was real socialized medicine: the doctors and staff were all government employees, the facility was government owned, and the drugs were procured by the government. None of this is the case in the HCR bill.
I also don’t understand why you believe that that a private health delivery system with a financial incentive to deny you care will be any less inclined to ration care than a govenrment system with no such incentive. After being under both systems, it’s been my experience that the only one that rations care is the private delivery system.
- “There are multiple quality-of-life vs. treatment cost controls in our HCR that will interfere in private care decisions, that DO amount to death panel(s). ” – That’s BS. There’s no more interference than you currently have now, except that the HCR bill prohibits insurers from the more common dishonest practices against their customers.
- “It’s one of the reasons members of Congress are the only one’s exempt from HCR provisions.” – How so? All HCR requires is that people have adequate health insurance. No one is exempt. There’s nothing in HCR that prevents you from getting better insurance that that proposed by HCR.
March 9th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
- “It is because all socialized health treatment delivery systems have evolved into rationed systems, with treament regulations defined by govenment committee(s) that dictate quality of life vs. costs parameters.”- After being in the military under real socialized medicine, I can tell you that there was no rationed care. Yes, the government tells you what kind of care you can get, but they sure as hell didn’t cut corners, and to be honest, it was a damn sight better than what I get under the private care that I use now. I really don’t know why you’re so afraid of it. Again, when I was in the military, that was real socialized medicine: the doctors and staff were all government employees, the facility was government owned, and the drugs were procured by the government. None of this is the case in the HCR bill.
I also don’t understand why you believe that that a private health delivery system with a financial incentive to deny you care will be any less inclined to ration care than a govenrment system with no such incentive. After being under both systems, it’s been my experience that the only one that rations care is the private delivery system.
- “There are multiple quality-of-life vs. treatment cost controls in our HCR that will interfere in private care decisions, that DO amount to death panel(s). ” – That’s BS. There’s no more interference than you currently have now, except that the HCR bill prohibits insurers from the more common dishonest practices against their customers.
- “It’s one of the reasons members of Congress are the only one’s exempt from HCR provisions.” – How so? All HCR requires is that people have adequate health insurance. As long as members of Congress have a health care plan, they comply. No one is exempt. There’s nothing in HCR that prevents you from getting better insurance than that proposed by HCR.
March 9th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Sebelius, STILL signalling White House will go to the mat for a single payer system like Canada:
Public option =Canadian system?
Once people realize health isn’t a commodity to be traded, we’ll have our universal health care. Since every other western nation blazed that trail for us, we can design a system taking the failures and short-comings into account. Then all the butthurt Wingnuts can get the treatment they will so desperately need.
Time to scrap this pile of crap and start over.
Damn straight. Jettison all the Republican crap since the bastards won’t vote for a bill anyway. Let’s get the real reform started.
…it was a damn sight better than what I get under the private care that I use now.
Except for those damn 18-gauge needles. The IV portion of the Combat Lifesaver Course was a bitch.
All this over something as mundane as HCR. Makes me look forward to the Wingnut meltdown when immigration reform becomes front and center.
March 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
“All this over something as mundane as HCR.”
My thoughts exactly for the past year. I still can’t fathom how anyone thinks people who react so disproportionately to perceived (generally imagined) threats should have ANY control over government.
March 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
“This type of comment can only be made by someone who is purposefully or accidentally totally ignorant of the private for-profit health care system that we have in the US.
Woefully ignorant.”
LOL that type of response can only be made by someone who is Willfully or Woefully ignorant of what has happened to prices and quality in free market systems SINCE THE BEGINNING of TIME.
Friggin’ pompous blowhard….
March 9th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
“Again, when I was in the military, that was real socialized medicine: the doctors and staff were all government employees, the facility was government owned, and the drugs were procured by the government. ”
LOL No it wasn’t!
That’s Effing Asset Protection!
You really compare the military taking care of a couple hundred thounsand youths in the prime of their life to the pleasusre of a true social health care system??? Do you know where the truly sick soldiers ended up? Tossed out on a Medical Discharge.
In the VA system. At the VA Hospital. There is your Social utopia, and those places ain’t pretty.
Right know we have four major systems that provide healthcare: Medicare, Medicaid, VA, and Private Insurance. One of those does a pretty decent job plus turns a modest 2% or so profit- and it ain’t none of the Government ones.
Why you clowns want to screw it up? Fix your Social Bullshit first!
March 9th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
I still can’t fathom how anyone thinks people who react so disproportionately to perceived (generally imagined) threats should have ANY control over government.
That’s the problem with Republicans. They claim government doesn’t work and is evil and then set out and prove it. I wouldn’t go to a vet that hates animals. Why the hell anyone would elect a Republican is beyond me.
March 9th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
- “You really compare the military taking care of a couple hundred thounsand youths in the prime of their life to the pleasusre of a true social health care system???” – You obviously haven’t met any field grade officers or senior enlisted personnel. They regularly breakdown and require extensive maintenance. I myself had some rather unique ailments from day one that the military happily fixed or mitigated (exposure to tuberculosis, heart murmor, high blood pressure, “low” cholestrol count), while the private insurance companies balked or labeled “pre-existing”.
March 9th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Mikey, you are a riot!
Senior enlisted and grey headed Field grade officers are a small percentage of the military. The military gets and spends lots to keep all personnel tip top and in shape.
But it is not socialized health care- it is readiness and preparedness.
Too sick? Medical Discharge, go away- enjoy the hell known as VA.
Private Ins certainly has its faults, but I would prefer the pressures from the laws of Supply and Demand to sort it out to more damnable bureaucratic controls, rules, taxes, etc.
March 9th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
- “At the VA Hospital. There is your Social utopia, and those places ain’t pretty.” – Actually most VA Hospitals are very pretty. They’d be even prettier if the republicans wouldn’t hold or vote down VA funding.
March 9th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
- “But it is not socialized health care- it is readiness and preparedness.” – No, it was socialized health care, I was responsible for the readiness and prepardness part. And the military made damn sure I did it. PT at 0500, weight training, manditory readiness formations. The medical system just fixed me when I broke something. And just fixing a medical problem doesn’t make you deployable.
- “Too sick? Medical Discharge, go away- enjoy the hell known as VA.” – There were a lot of retirees and vets that were still using the active duty hospitals were I served. They were serviced by the same docs that took care of me. In fact, when the military decided that I had to have my wisdom teeth removed, they sent me to a VA hospital for the operation and 3 days of R&R. Mostly all I remember was how good the food was…
March 9th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
- “Except for those damn 18-gauge needles.” – true dat.
March 9th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Here is what the poli board lefty’s have in mind for YOU
March 9th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
” Actually most VA Hospitals are very pretty. They’d be even prettier if the republicans wouldn’t hold or vote down VA funding.”
EXCUSE ME Dear Sir, quick Budgetary update….-
WE’RE BROKE!
…and the VA spends a boatload of money. I worked at one for a bit while in college buffing freaking floors- the same job at a regular hospital piad half the wage (helped I was a desert storm vet). The Docs and Nurses are the same everywhere- overworked and doing there best- but the VA had a bunch of people sitting around on their butts drawing checks for pretty much nothing. “Compliance Officers” and such. The stupid trainings were the best- we ran friggin’ buffers and had to watch 8 hours of videos.
There is so much waste, fraud, and abuse it is ridiculous. Why make it system wide?
“No, it was socialized health care,” Mikey, Stop being Thick! The only reason it is there is to keep those soldiers healthy and ready to go if needed. PERIOD. We as taxpayers pay a pretty freakin’ penny to keep thiose boys healthy as well.
Yes- some retirees and families are also served by the active personnel doc, they are all second tier on the triage- the docs and nurses need training to keep ready as well, plus the obvious benefit to morale.
March 9th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Something else on the Military style “Socialized Health Care”
Mikey wishes to subject the country to (God knows how anbody is going to pay for that one, lol)
Doctor’s orders were just that-ORDERS. No decisions between you and the doc, doc said- you did. He outranked you.
PT was part the fitness Health and readiness thing, I remember, had to do it too. While I think it would be pretty freaking funny and probably do our flabby ass country a heck of a lotta good to get them all out doing clisthenics at 02DAMNEARLY, I do think that is a bit of a stretch beyond what our gov’t was designed to do.
March 9th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Hearing Delayed for Obama Judicial Nominee Who Supported Serial Killer
By Judson Berger
– FOXNews.com
The Senate Judiciary Committee has postponed the hearing for a controversial Court of Appeals nominee after the panel received a letter from a home-state prosecutor blasting him as a judicial loose cannon and Republicans raised concerns about his alleged bias in favor of sex offenders.
March 9th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
“Mostly all I remember was how good the food was…”
Ok, since no one else gives a rat’s ass about this thread anymore, Mikey IS exactly correct here-
WHY the hell can’t I get good – Hell ANY- chipped beef gravy anywhere in this friggin country anymore???
My only hope is a marked down freezer bin of Stouffer’s. Pathetic. Does anyone realize how many wars we have won, enemies were killed, hills were humped, towns liberated, beaches stormed(and subsequently yacked upon, because that shit sits heavy on the tummy) on the power of the venerable SOS????
WHhat have we become as a country???
March 9th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
- “EXCUSE ME Dear Sir, quick Budgetary update….-
WE’RE BROKE!” – Excuse me, but we’ve been broke for a very, very long time. I’m amused that you’re only concerned about it now that a democrat’s running the show. Note that we were also broke when the republicans were handing out massive tax cuts to the rich, and we were broke when the republicans we’re handing out bucks to big pharma in the form of Medicare Part D. And we were broke when we initiated two wars. The fact that the repubicans didn’t put the cost of the wars on the books didn’t make us any less broke either. But I don’t hear you screaming about that. So pardon me if I think your cries of brokeness are rather hollow. Remmber, it was your boy Cheney (R) who said that Reagan (R) proved that deficits don’t matter.
- “There is so much waste, fraud, and abuse it is ridiculous.” – So you agree with Obama that if we fix that, we can save a big chunk of change.
- “The only reason it is there is to keep those soldiers healthy and ready to go if needed. PERIOD.” – That’s pretty much the definition of healthcare in general. It’s just as important to keep folks healthy so that they can do their jobs as it is for soldiers to go to war.
March 9th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
- “Doctor’s orders were just that-ORDERS. No decisions between you and the doc, doc said- you did. ” – I don’t argue with my doctor even now. But when I was in the USAF, most of my doctor’s decisions about me were boarded. When he ordered extra tests for me and shipped me off to Brooks AFB, he had to get my squadron commander and the Wing King’s approval. When they tried to kill me on the treadmill, they had to get MY approval – in writing.
March 9th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Gerry, in light of your comments here today, I think you might benefit from some free business advice that impacts on your previously mentined plans to open a bar….try not to drink away all of your inventory before your Grand Opening.
Now we know what you meant when you said you were “far along” in your business plan…you own a lot of booze.
March 9th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
My nomination for Democratic Campaign Slogan 2010:
“I wouldn’t go to a vet that hates animals. ”
LMAO!
March 9th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
“I’m amused that you’re only concerned about it now that a democrat’s running the show. ”
Nope. Been pissed about that since before Reagan got elected (and I was only 9! talk about a weird child).
“Note that we were also broke when the republicans were handing out massive tax cuts to the rich, and we were broke when the republicans we’re handing out bucks to big pharma in the form of Medicare Part D.”
I am all for tax cuts for anyone, and I don’t really care if it is big pharma, big oil, big steel, big coal, or that big big fat blonde on stage last week at the local dive bar. Government Takes too much money, and spends too much money. Dems want to tax more (which restricts growth) and spend even still more (which retard initiative) besides bankrupting and enslaving future generations (but who cares about them anyways). Republicans want to cut taxes (YAY!) and then they do squat about spending- all be it at a SLOWWER and LESSSER rate so we all feel better about it.
We are still fucked, granted. This is where I drink more……
“And we were broke when we initiated two wars. ”
EXCUSE ME??? 9/11??? We didn’t initiate that! Simply because I got better things to do with my life than argue the instigations, causes, and faults of the Iraqi conflict we are finishing up I will plead nolo contendre on-but Afganistan?? the War your boy wonder Messiah peached is the one we should be focused like a laser on?(after jobs. and healthcare. and cap and trade. and jobs. and healthcare…) Biden is sending in the Ninjas as we speak….
Before 9/11 there was the Cole bombing, the E African Embassy Bombings..seriously? we started this?
“The fact that the repubicans didn’t put the cost of the wars on the books didn’t make us any less broke either. ”
HELLO- The numbers are still on the debt clock- Yes, I am a bastard who would rather see our dollars pay for bambs on terroists than free shit for lazy people here. Particularly when we are having to borrow it- I killing bad guys seems a bit more justified reason to borrow than keeping some 3rd generation welfare family’s cable TV on.
“Remmber, it was your boy Cheney (R) who said that Reagan (R) proved that deficits don’t matter.”
Back then, the thought was we could grow our economy out of the deficit. (Laffer curve) might have worked, except for the lack of fiscal discil=pline on the part of congress.
Even under Bush, the Deficit was trending back to to zero until the Dems took control in 2006. Still, even then the Republican deficits were full of crap as well- although I would prefer them to these, their fiscal irresponsibility was a hell of a lot cheaper, war, 2 wars, or no war.
“There is so much waste, fraud, and abuse it is ridiculous.” – So you agree with Obama that if we fix that, we can save a big chunk of change. ”
SURE I agree! Do it! Until you do, stop trying to fuck up up what is working somewhat well and not losing money like EVERYTHING that government is charged with running does! Fix that side first!
” It’s just as important to keep folks healthy so that they can do their jobs as it is for soldiers to go to war.”
That isn’t the job of government at any level. Or do you wish to be? Militarization of society? Mandatory workouts? Running in formation singing Jody Calls? Were do we stop? Was it just supposed to end with school lunches?
Do you realize before the 1920′s the only real contact the average american ever had with the federal government was the Post Office?
Why so much power invested on 536 twits who are experts based only on their ability to get 50% +1 to vote for them?
Think…………..
March 9th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
“try not to drink away all of your inventory before your Grand Opening.
Now we know what you meant when you said you were “far along” in your business plan…you own a lot of booze.
”
LOL Catch that alot-
Actually, my typing skills (or lack thereof) come from a problem with fat friggin fingers. I DO drink too much beer, I just like it- only guy I know who never had to acquire the taste. I stay away from liquor though-So I will take your advice!
the bar plans were moving along but my partner had a bad week: Laid off, told he was going to be a father (from a girl he hadn’t seen in a while), and had to have emergency back surgery.
So Strike the Partner since he’s now flaked and moved back to New York, we get everything together and the …..
location we had lined out fell through.
I’m picky on that, so lord knows what happens now. Kind of back to square one, but 2-8 are already covered….
There are special places in Heaven, Hell, and Psychiatric Wards for anyone dumb enough to open a small business anymore, but for some reason I am driven to.
March 10th, 2010 at 1:27 am
- “Republicans want to cut taxes (YAY!) and then they do squat about spending- all be it at a SLOWWER and LESSSER rate so we all feel better about it.” – Check the numbers, the republicans increased spending by leaps and bounds more than the dems in the last decade, and also under Reagan. Besides spending more, the difference between repubs and dems is that the dems at least try to pay for it through taxes (and face the wrath of their constituants) – the republicans just borrow.
- “9/11??? We didn’t initiate that! ” – I’m talking about Iraq. The Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11. Even Bush admitted that. Yet there we went. The Afghanistan War was ill-planned and poorly executed. Only now are we actually taking the fight to Al Queda.
- “HELLO- The numbers are still on the debt clock-” – No they weren’t – they weren’t even counted as deficit spending until Obama put them on the books. The only responsible way to run a government.
- “Yes, I am a bastard who would rather see our dollars pay for bambs on terroists than free shit for lazy people here.” – No, that’s just dumb. We’re not spending money to drop bombs on terrorists in Iraq – we’re rebuilding their damn country – even as our infrastructure falls apart. What we should be doing is spending money on our own infrastructure and finding an alternative to fossil fuels before the Chinese start using more oil than we do. We need to start making things again.
- “Even under Bush, the Deficit was trending back to to zero until the Dems took control in 2006.” – That’s insane. The tax cuts that the repubs pushed through were costing us hundreds of billions per year, and there was no attempt to pay for them. Same with Medicare Part D and the wars. The deficit was going crazy even before 2006.
- “That isn’t the job of government at any level. Or do you wish to be? ” – Sick people cost us all money. And not just the part of trying to get them well. There’s the lost productivity, which affects tax revenue, and overall GNP. It’s in the government’s interest to have a healthy population and keep them from using the most expensive form of health care – the emergency room.
- “- although I would prefer them to these, their fiscal irresponsibility was a hell of a lot cheaper, war, 2 wars, or no war.” – Really? Blowing up countries and then rebuilding them is not cheap. Plus the money goes out of the country. Better to put money in the hands of American citizens so they can spend it on American products – in America.
March 10th, 2010 at 3:09 am
I wouldn’t go to a vet that hates animals.
Going to the vet is a is a fricken horror show.
March 10th, 2010 at 5:34 am
Check the numbers, the republicans increased spending by leaps and bounds more than the dems in the last decade, and also under Reagan. Besides spending more, the difference between repubs and dems is that the dems at least try to pay for it through taxes (and face the wrath of their constituants) – the republicans just borrow.
For heaven’s sake, are you that ignorant? Reagan had Democrat congresses for the majority of his time as President, and THEY set spending priorities (as Congress always does, even if the President is compelled to submit a budget – see the Constitution).
The Democrats have raised the debt ceiling what, three times since last year? They gave us the trillion-dollar bailout of the Geitner Gang. Lib goofiness and the blindness of the dialectic. Sheesh.
March 10th, 2010 at 6:20 am
“Check the numbers, the republicans increased spending by leaps and bounds more than the dems in the last decade, and also under Reagan.”
Obama’s First year deficit is fairly close to the entire 6 year deficit of Bush and the Republican Controlled House and Senate combned (2000-2006).
House houlds the purse strings, Reagan never had a Republican controlled house and only a couple years of Republican held Senate.
“We need to start making things again.” Gov’t doesn’t produce squat- You want production? Reduce red tape, taxes, regualtion, minimum wage laws, etc.
Because everytime these things are imposed, we lose jobs to somewhere else.
There was a lot here, but I leave with something from a man more erudite than I will ever be:
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Take to heart….
March 10th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
- “Reagan had Democrat congresses for the majority of his time as President, and THEY set spending priorities (as Congress always does, even if the President is compelled to submit a budget – see the Constitution).” – So why do you guys always try to get it both ways??? When it comes to tax cuts, you always point to Ronald Reagan as your hero that pulled us out of the recession. When it comes to the huge deficits those cuts caused, you blame it on the democratic congress. Which one is it?
- “Obama’s First year deficit is fairly close to the entire 6 year deficit of Bush and the Republican Controlled House and Senate combned (2000-2006).” – Funny how you don’t count Bush’s last year’s budget. The difference between Bush’s last year and Obama’s first is around $300B. Again, you guys want to have it both ways. When the deficit happens under Bush, its Congress’ fault, but when it happens under Obama, its Obama’s fault. Considering that Obama inherited all of Bush’s obligations (tax cuts, medicare boondoggle, wars, TARP), then the meltdown of the economy that tax revenue, it’s no wonder there’s a enormous deficit. Before Obama even took office or signed any legislation, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projected that, based on actions taken by Bush and economic conditions at the time, the deficit for fiscal year 2009 would reach $1.2 trillion.
March 10th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
“Funny how you don’t count Bush’s last year’s budget.”
Because it was pretty damn Bipartisan. You don’t remember the wonderful stimulus checks Pelosi, Reid, and company forced our Grand kids to cough up after they took over the House and Senate? Sure, Republicans were wussies and Bush signed it-
Sure helped a ton on the economy(NOT!)! what did we the next year? ANOTHER STIMULUS we couldn’t afford!
No, I don’t blame the last year on Bush- he had too much help, it was a bipartisan effort.