Exchange of the Day
Lindsey Graham has his moments. Here, he exposes the absurdity of treating terrorists like criminals:
GRAHAM: If bin Laden were caught tomorrow, would it be the position of this administration that he would be brought to justice?
HOLDER: He would certainly be brought to justice, absolutely.
GRAHAM: Where would you try him?
HOLDER: Well, we’d go through our protocol. And we’d make the determination about where he should appropriately be tried. [...]
GRAHAM: If we captured bin Laden tomorrow, would he be entitled to Miranda warnings at the moment of capture?
HOLDER: Again I’m not — that all depends. I mean, the notion that we —
GRAHAM: Well, it does not depend. If you’re going to prosecute anybody in civilian court, our law is clear that the moment custodial interrogation occurs the defendant, the criminal defendant, is entitled to a lawyer and to be informed of their right to remain silent.
(via InstaPundit)
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November 19th, 2009 at 8:58 am
This whole civilian trial will backfire on O and Holder. It’ll be leftist lawyers on the defense versus leftist lawyers on the prosecution. Sweet.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:14 am
A trial helps our cause, not hurts it, by demonstrating that we are a country of laws. Unfortunately both Bush and now Obama don’t seem to recognize this simple fact.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:19 am
A trial helps our cause, not hurts it, by demonstrating that we are a country of laws.
How is it that a trial in front of a military tribunal demonstrates that we are a lawless country?
Oh wait, it doesn’t. This is all about putting the Bush administration’s War on Terror policies on trial and throwing a bone to far leftists like you.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Warner:
“A trial helps our cause, not hurts it, by demonstrating that we are a country of laws.
Correction. We are a country of lawyers. The world will be treated to a leftist spectacle that will make the OJ trial look like an afternoon tea.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:48 am
KEN: you said it:
he world will be treated to a leftist spectacle that will make the OJ trial look like an afternoon tea.
KSMTV is about to hit the air.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:49 am
I almost wish this trial would happen because it would destroy Obama’s Presidency and the American people would then understand that Bush’s terror policies were right for America. However, I think this trial will never happen because it is wildly unpopular and wrong-headed.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Ken, I’m sorry to hear that you have no confidence in the US legal system or faith in the basic principles upon which this country was founded and for which many brave men and women have given their lives to defend and preserve.
If you have another solution you’d like to propose that doesn’t involve a complete rejection of these principles and a move toward a more totalitarian system I’m all ears.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:55 am
“Oh wait, it doesn’t. This is all about putting the Bush administration’s War on Terror policies on trial and throwing a bone to far leftists like you.”
If Bush’s “War on Terror” was conducted in keeping with our legal and ethical principles, than there is nothing to hide. So what are you afraid will happen, Marvin?
November 19th, 2009 at 10:07 am
So what are you afraid will happen, Marvin?
You didn’t answer my question. How is it that a trial in front of a military tribunal demonstrates that we are a lawless country?
November 19th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Now Warnie, honey,
you needs to be consistent w/your thoughts and application of them. You can’t just randomly apply them when it suits your case, and then disrespect them when it doesn’t. In other words, “you can’t have it both ways”!
Now recall how “My Daddy” …er, I mean yo idol Obama, threw out Contract and Bankruptcy law when he decided that GM bondholders would be usurped by GM union workers in the share of the remnants of GM. Obama threw out the rule of law there, honey, I’m sorry to shatter your world that he strictly honor US laws… nor does he honor and respect the US Contstituion. Below is a refresher of GM bondholders issue. Now its time to come in from playtime and study these articles, as well as US history. Let’s start with the Constitution and how this country was founded, honey. Now come on in and get started and I’ll make you a snack.
– Love, Mama
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aez_YF4j2cg8&refer=home
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/25/AR2009052502135.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns
November 19th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Warner:
“Ken, I’m sorry to hear that you have no confidence in the US legal system or faith in the basic principles upon which this country was founded and for which many brave men and women have given their lives to defend and preserve.”
You, once more, have earned the title of the Village Idiot. One more win and you will retire the title.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Well Dunce, the “system, or basic principles upon which this country was founded,” has been conducting war tribunals for the past 230 years. Clearly, you are the one with no faith……..Unless you are looking for some terrorist Love. Is that it, Warner? Looking for some Jihadist Love?
November 19th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Ken, being labelled the “Village Idiot” around here is a badge of honor, even as it is bestowed upon me by the self-appointed spokesman for the Ignorant Angry Fools.
And by the way, don’t think that any of this foolishness will divert attention away from your inability to answer simple questions about your beliefs or justify your idiotic comments. It must suck to be so stupid and angry all at once.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:41 am
“How is it that a trial in front of a military tribunal demonstrates that we are a lawless country?”
Trying acts of terrorism against civilians in front of a civil court gives those who have been injured the opportunity to seek justice directly and definitively, AS IS OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Trying acts of terrorism against civilians in front of a civil court gives those who have been injured the opportunity to seek justice directly and definitively, AS IS OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.
The “CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT” charge is debateable. What isn’t debateable is the fact that the overwhelming majority of family members of 9/11 victims (you know, those who have been injured) are against this travesty.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
What isn’t debatable is the fact that the ODS folks are against it because, well, they have ODS.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Warner:
“Ken, being labelled the “Village Idiot” around here is a badge of honor,”
Wear it proudly. You earned it, bub.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
What isn’t debatable is the fact that the ODS folks are against it because, well, they have ODS.
What isn’t debateable is the fact that most people whom you label “ODS folks” actually don’t like Obama’s policies and ideology.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
What isn’t debateable is the fact that most people whom you label “ODS folks” actually don’t like Obama’s policies and ideology.
How would they know, when their reason is clouded by ODS?
November 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
“What isn’t debateable is the fact that the overwhelming majority of family members of 9/11 victims (you know, those who have been injured) are against this travesty.”
So this is your standard for legal precedent, Marvin? Maybe on Mars bub but not in the US. You wingnuts really need to learn to trust our system of government a bit more instead of trying to tear it down or bend it to your radical fascist-leaning philosophies.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
“Wear it proudly.”
Abso-friggin’-lutely wingnut. Absolutely.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
“What isn’t debateable is the fact that most people whom you label “ODS folks” actually don’t like Obama’s policies and ideology.”
You mean like his “policy” to ” have “government take over health care” or “turn the US into a Communist state”, Marvin? Or his radical Muslim Ideology?
Tell me one policy or ideology you actually agree with.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Tell me one policy or ideology you actually agree with.
Have some compassion, Marvin has ODS, do you want his head to explode?
November 19th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
You mean like his “policy” to ” have “government take over health care” or “turn the US into a Communist state”, Marvin? Or his radical Muslim Ideology?
Point to a single post in which I have made any of this idiotic claims. Otherwise quit making $hit up and then attributing it to me. You see Warner, just becuase I post here doesn’t mean I agree with every thing that some of the more radical people here say or think.
Tell me one policy or ideology you actually agree with.
I think Obama has taken a pretty aggressive stance regarding Afghanistan and I wholeheartedly agree with him there. I was very pleased when I heard that he was going to give McChrystal the additional troops he requested. I also think this handling of Iraq has been good.
There have been other individual decisions which I felt were reasonably sound as well. I even thought that given his far left leanings, his choice for SCOTUS was about as good as my side of the spectrum could expect and was pleasantly surprised by the selection.
But apparently, one must march in complete lock-step with the left wing nutters in order to be cured of ODS.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
You wingnuts really need to learn to trust our system of government a bit more
Tell you what Warner, when your side starts trusting the government more when it comes to issues of National Security, I will start trusting the government more when it comes to domestic policy.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
“Tell you what Warner, when your side starts trusting the government more when it comes to issues of National Security, I will start trusting the government more when it comes to domestic policy.”
Already there, Marvin…tell me one Dem who votes against DoD increases every year. Bush got his way with pretty much every defense and national security issue he asked for.
I’ll not hold my breath for your concessions to trust the government on “domestic policies” that you and other wingnuts take full advantage of and benefit from EVERY DAY of your life on our shores. Ungrateful ass.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
The laws of our country state that citizen criminals are entitled to certain rights, by caselaw, including Miranda rights. That does not apply to enemy combatants, terrorists or the like. So, Warner, what in God’s name are you talking about????
Obama prejudging the case stating there will be a conviction and the death penalty is also not justice. This is just a chance, Warner, for a show trial in the city where terrorists hit, allowing the terrorist to have center stage. This, Warner, is what you like about it. Don’t hide behind the laws, because the laws, the caselaw, statutes and history tell us otherwise.