Pelosi: buy ObamaCare insurance or go to prison for five years

November 6, 2009
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I am not making this up:

“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

35 Responses to Pelosi: buy ObamaCare insurance or go to prison for five years

  1. Chris on November 6, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    Newsflash: Cantor Says Tea Party’s Dachau Photos ‘Inappropriate,’ Takes Issue With Limbaugh

    At yesterday’s tea party rally on Capitol Hill, at least one protester brandished a large graphic photograph of the victims of the Dachau Nazi concentration camp, comparing health care reform to Nazi policies. Today, Rep. Eric Cantor’s (R-VA) spokesman called the photograph “inappropriate.”

    Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY) has also condemned the poster.

    Cantor, in an interview today with Bloomberg, also offered some criticism of radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh’s comparison of President Obama to Adolf Hitler.

    “Do I condone the mention of Hitler in any discussion about politics?” said Cantor, who is the only Jewish Republican in Congress. “No, I don’t, because obviously that is something that conjures up images that frankly are not, I think, very helpful.”

    In a climate where Republicans who criticize Limbaugh come crawling back on their knees (see TPM’s “Forgive Me Rush” photo feature), Cantor’s office has pointed reporters to the story, emailing the link to Glenn Thrush’s post on Cantor’s remarks.

    It’s worth noting that Limbaugh made the comment in question — “Adolf Hitler, like Barack Obama, also ruled by dictate” — on Aug. 6. Cantor at the time did not respond publicly to calls from Jewish groups to condemn the remarks.

  2. James on November 6, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    P.S. I am curious whether the posters on the website will agree with Cantor and Israel in their criticisms of the Tea Party protestor’s use of Dachau Photos and of Limbaugh’s comparisons of Obama to Hitler. Or alternatively will you defend such rhetoric and call Cantor a DINO?

  3. James on November 6, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    I am also curious whether Cantor will end up having to apologize to the Teabaggers and to Limbaugh.

  4. invalid10 on November 6, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    Will Pelosi personally taser you for noncompliance?

  5. Mike on November 6, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    That’s just so all those too stupid to want affordable health care can be rounded up and treated by the prison infirmary. They’ll get their 1 or 5 yr checkup and cootie shots then released to the wild till the next time they get tagged and bagged.

  6. Frank on November 6, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    I’ll take the bait: Cantor is a cowardly, squishy RINO who is more interested in seeming PC and playing up to the MSM than standing up for our freedoms! Where would be without Bachmann, Palin, Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, and the Club for Growth?!

  7. Steve on November 6, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Why are you blocking my comment? Is it because I have demonstrated that you are full of it?

  8. Mike on November 6, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    The language you reference above concerning criminal and civil penalties does NOT appear in the house health reform bill, HR 3962 (which incidentally both the AMA and AARP have endorsed). I’ll repeat: those provisions have nothing to do with the house health reform bill.

    See for yourself:
    See http://edlabor.house.gov/blog/2009/10/affordable-health-care.shtml
    (for a summary of the House health bill) and
    see http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf
    (for the text of the House health reform bill)

    The language you cited above describes the criminal penalties for “willfully” attempting “in any manner to evade or defeat” federal income taxes (i.e., cheating on your taxes). See 26 USC Sec. 7201.

    See http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=106790,00.html
    and see
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/usc_sec_26_00007201—-000-.html

    It provides that:

    Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.

    So, the language only applies where it can be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that a person willfully avoided paying their federal income taxes. It does not apply to the house health care bill.

    Incidentally, how do you folks feel about laws which require people to buy car insurance? Does that violate your liberty in a way that is objectionable to you somehow? Who do you think ends up paying when an uninsured sick person shows up at an ER room?

  9. Mike on November 6, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    You are a coward for blocking my comment. Let your readers know that the provisions cited above concerning criminal and civil penalties does NOT appear in the house health reform bill, HR 3962 (which incidentally both the AMA and AARP have endorsed).

    The language cited above describes the criminal penalties for “willfully” attempting “in any manner to evade or defeat” federal income taxes (i.e., cheating on your taxes). See 26 USC Sec. 7201.

    The language only applies where it can be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that a person willfully avoided paying their federal income taxes. It does not apply to the house health care bill.

  10. wcvarones on November 6, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Steve, I ain’t blocking nobody. Try user error.

    James, why do you hold Tea Partiers responsible for Hitler analogies from the occasional kook over whom they have no control, yet you don’t hold Obama responsible for the Mao-adoring statements of his own Communications Director?

  11. wcvarones on November 6, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Mike,

    You are a douchebag for not being able to use the keyboard more effectively.

    The house health care bill creates a large tax penalty on anyone who doesn’t buy ObamaCare. And if you don’t pay that large tax penalty, you are subject to prison terms.

    But don’t take my word for it, ask the Joint Committee on Taxation.

  12. Mike on November 6, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Well, you are shamelessly dishonest and do block comments which undercut your position. The language you referenced above is found at 26 U.S.C. section 7201. It does not appear in the house health reform bill, as you know (or should know).

    See http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=106790,00.html

    This language only applies to people who “willfully attempts to evade or defeat” their federal income tax obligations (ie., tax cheats).

  13. Mike on November 6, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    For the record, the second/third Mike (also Steve?) is not the first Mike (me).

    The house health care bill creates a large tax penalty on anyone who doesn’t buy ObamaCare.

    That would be a staggering 2.5% for people that refuse any health care coverage. Think of it as “moron fee” to cover their inevitable emergency room visit that will be covered by the taxpayers. They essential pay for their own visit.

  14. Mike on November 6, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    A question: How do you folks feel about laws that require people to buy car insurance?

    People without health insurance don’t receive preventive care. They wait until they have to go to an ER, at which point their problems are more severe (and expensive to treat.) Who do you think pays for the cost of ER care when a sick unisured person shows up in an emergency room? I’ll give you clue: either the taxpayers (through the Medicaid program) or other private payers through cost shifting.) It is of course less expensive to treat a person before they are at the ER stage.

    Are you folks happy with the status quo with respect to health insurance? We pay more than the citizens of any other country, per capita, and have worse results by a variety of metrics (life expectancy, etc.) than other developed nations which have national health insurance.

  15. Mike on November 6, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    It appears my Poli-trolling name was hijacked by another Poli-troll. Karma is a bitch I guess.

  16. Mike on November 6, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Mike #1, I’m done. I’m signing off. You can have your Poli-troll identity back! :-)

  17. PoliPundit on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If leftists can use the Hitler analogy against Bush, conservatives can use it against Obama.

  18. W.C. Varones on November 6, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    A question: How do you folks feel about laws that require people to buy car insurance?

    Actually, California (and likely other states; I don’t know) allows people to post bonds instead of buying car insurance. They just want to be sure you’re going to be either insured or able to pay if you wreck somebody else’s car.

    That’s a liability issue, and requiring people to cover their potential liabilities on damages caused to others is not nearly in the same league as throwing people in jail for not buying health insurance for themselves.

    Nice try.

  19. Mike #2 on November 6, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    I’ve already explained that the House health bill does NOT provide for throwing people in jail for not buying health insurance for themselves. You can keep repeating that claim, but It won’t make it true.

    I did some quick research and confirmed that many states do provide for jail time as a potential penalty for driving without car insurance.

    In any event, you have to acknowledge that there is a potential free rider problem associated with letting people not get insurance secure in the knowledge that if they fail to do so others will pay for their emergency room care if sometheing goes seriously wrong with them (either through the medicaid program or private sector cost shifting.)

    As I mentioned above, people without health insurance generally don’t receive preventive care. They wait until they have to go to an ER, at which point their problems are more severe (and expensive to treat.) When a sick unisured person shows up in an emergency room, others pay for their care: either the taxpayers (through the Medicaid program) or other private payers through cost shifting.) It is of course less expensive to treat a person at an earlier stage, before they are at the ER stage.

    You didn’t answer my question above: are you folks happy with the status quo with respect to health insurance? We pay more than the citizens of any other country, per capita, and have worse results by a variety of metrics (life expectancy, etc.) than other developed nations which have national health insurance, tens of thousands die now each year due to lack of health insurance, health costs are the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy, and our current system imposes costs on our businesses which make them less competitive than their foreign counterparts, reduces job mobilities, reduces job mobility, etc..

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  22. L. on November 7, 2009 at 4:27 am

    Mao-adoring statements of his own Communications Director?

    Watch the video, she was making a lame joke. Not that it will stop the nutter right from endlessly putting a shrill loudspeaker on it.

    McCain quotes Mao all the time.

  23. Lets Not Mention That on November 7, 2009 at 7:12 am

    “L. stands for LIAR”, which ironically can also stand for Liberal!

  24. rightwingyahoo on November 7, 2009 at 7:17 am

    All you lefties do is lie. Every fact we post, with cite, you just come on here and deny it. What we can all see with our own eyes.

    We can read,
    We can see,
    We can hear,

    So stop it, ok?

    Leave the people of this country alone, stop trying to run their lives. It makes them hate you.

  25. the aura of truthiness on November 7, 2009 at 7:26 am

    “Leave the people of this country alone, stop trying to run their lives.”

    .
    .
    .
    .

    Yeah, just bail out the Big 3 and UAW, and give us our ethanol. That’s what we want.

  26. Mike on November 7, 2009 at 8:48 am

    We can read,
    We can see,
    We can hear

    But, as proven on a daily basis, you can’t comprehend.

    Leave the people of this country alone, stop trying to run their lives.

    Unless they love the wrong person. Write, paint or burn the wrong thing. Make the wrong medical decision. Say the wrong words. Pray to the wrong god.

  27. Mike on November 7, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Uninsured people are a drain on the taxpayers. Conservatives never fail to point that out. Taxing people who wish to remain uninsured seems like a no-brainer. They will now pay for they’re own treatment instead of everyone else footing the bill. If wingnuts got past their knee-jerk reaction to the word “tax”, they’d see it.

  28. heatherfeather on November 7, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    And how is putting someone in prison for five years not a drain on taxpayers? At least the prisoner will get free health care.

    The arrogance of the Stinking Liberals is amazing. I am tempted to drop my hellth insurance just to prove I can slip through the cracks. It would be a lot cheaper to buy a fake ID and insurance card than it would to pay for my current hellth insurance, which, by the way, I have never once used.

    If the Stinking Liberals start throwing people in jail for not minding their insurance company constituency, they will be responsible for any hatred and violence which is aimed at them. They are the enemies of freedom, and they are going down in flames, one way or another, in 2010.

  29. Mike on November 7, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    they will be responsible for any hatred and violence which is aimed at them.

    Must be a teabagger.

    Don’t let the misleading thread title fool you. Standard penalty for not paying taxes. Any taxes.

    Refuse health care coverage –> 2.5% tax

    Refuse to pay 2.5% tax –> penalty of fine and/or prison.

    Where the hell was all this “freedom” outrage over the Patriot Act, extraordinary rendition, warrantless wiring tapping, and all the other zero oversight crap the government was doing? You know, when freedom and liberty was in ACTUAL danger.

    No, you idiots save it for……health care reform.

    HCR – more dangerous to America than lose nukes or terrorism.

    Please keep going down that road. Fully embrace wingnut lunacy in all its glory. You people are so looney, in NY-23, you had Republicans in an all Republican district voting for the damn Democrat.

    There will be heartbreak come 2010. Just not the kind you’re praying for.

  30. Brian Hill on November 8, 2009 at 3:45 am

    I think it’s wrong to force any kind of health care option. This is leading to a dictatorship where you have no choice but join a rebellion, let them take you and kill you, or submit like a sheep!

  31. amr71 on November 8, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Mike, you aren’t really that stupid, are you? No one is forced to buy car insurance. You can choose not to drive.

    Health care is so expensive now *because of* a preventive-care system that pays doctors more for ordering millions of tests. And there’s also the massive malpractice-insurance costs that are passed on to patients.

    Meaningful tort reform, the ability to shop across state lines, more portability, expanded medical savings accounts, less HMO red tape, and expanding federal health programs to those who can’t afford care would have fixed almost everything that’s wrong with our system. 85% of Americans are covered, an no one is denied care now. We didn’t need to create a massive new $1 trillion bureaucracy to fix this. If some uncovered people go to ERs for care, I can guarantee you that paying for those cases will cost you A LOT LESS than this “free” health care plan will.

    And last I checked, freedom of choice was one of the things Democrats constantly howl about. So why do I have no freedom of choice on buying insurance? Ordering me to buy coverage is tyranny, plain and simple.

  32. amr71 on November 8, 2009 at 9:58 am

    Mike, some of us were just as riled up over the Patriot Act, trust me. This health care bill just proves that our liberties are under assault from both parties.

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