“Courageous”
By PoliPundit ~ August 14th, 2009 @ 11:44 am
I’m a fan of an old BBC show called “Yes, Minister.” In one episode, a wily civil servant describes how to get a politician to reject an idea:
“Ministers will generally accept proposals which contain the words simple, quick, popular and cheap.
“Ministers will generally throw out proposals which contain the words complicated, lengthy, expensive and controversial.
“Above all, if you wish to describe a proposal in a way that guarantees that a Minister will reject it, describe it as courageous.”
The Dems must be feeling quite “courageous” about ObamaCare right now.
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August 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Obama calls McCain a demagogue for opposing amnesty. McCain does oppose amnesty doesn’t he?
“(CNSNews.com) – At a joint press conference with Mexican President Felipe Calderon and the Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper in Guadalajara, Mexico on Monday, President Barack Obama referred to American opponents of amnesty for illegal aliens as “demagogues.””
August 14th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Focus on the Family drops ex-gay program aimed at reeducating the LGBT community sinful sexual lives due budget shortfall
August 15th, 2009 at 6:38 am
“Democrats must feel courageous”— comment by poli.
Therein lies the problem. Since taking over all the White House and both houses of Congress they have gotten too big for their britches. Nothing corrupts more than absolute power. Their egos have them going the way of the Republicans in the early years of Bush. I wanted Obama to succeed and gave him a chance but it didn’t take long to see where we were going.
No humility, no listening to other views, exclude Republicans from legislation, talk down to everyone, and talk insults e.g. un-American, nazis, mobs. They think that no one will notice and everyone agrees with these methods.
The only ones that agree with them are the most liberal of citizens like those at KOS and Moveon. That’s why you see independents dumpng Obama and the DEMS like terds in a toilet.
No wonder Americans are turning on the DEMS and Obama.
August 15th, 2009 at 9:22 am
A short history of crazy Wingnuttery in the U.S.:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/14/AR2009081401495.html
August 15th, 2009 at 9:53 am
We have a winner. LNMT gets the Maroon Award for today for linking to an opinion piece that blames conservative Republicans for the hatred expressed over the Civil Rights Bill. The author of the opinion piece definitely jumped the shark with this little piece of buffoonery: “the liberal earnestly confused when rational dialogue won’t hold sway;”. I mean when as a liberal ever debated facts with rational dialogue….hmm, let me see…Oh yeah Danial Moynihan was the last to even attempt it and before that maybe Humphrey.
The liberals modus of operandi is to inject emotion into any debate first by crying out about the injustice that poor little moochers in society require more assistance, then they inject classism, racism and finally attempt to scare the populace with the right wing boogie man. Talk about a case of projection.
Let’s not mention That – the only people who wish to silence dissent in this country is the left….Fairness Doctrine/Politically correct speech…
Lets not mention that- The Dems in Congress do not even know what is in the National Socialist Healthcare bill (that’s rational thought according to the dems and LNMT) and finally
Lets not mention that – Obama would have signed this bill if it had been passed..including
1. Death Panels (thank you Zeke Emmanuel for that stirring tribute to Eugenics that you penned…you are doing a damned fine job advising this President on health care…keep up the good work for us Right Wing crazies)
2. The freezing out of all private health insurance (pg. 16) over time.
3. The untold millions of dollars in the health care bill to be given to ACORN.
4. The banning of Medicare + private insurance…the part of the bill most of the retirees are really ticked off about.
Yes Lets Not Mention That this bill is a piece of horseshite wrapped in the NY Times/Washington Post used by the Congressional Dems to wipe there arse…
BTW LNMT…Republicans integrated the schools, it was Republicans on the Supreme Court (Earl Warren) that ended segregation, it was Republicans like Federal Judge Frank Johnson (Alabama) that integrated Colleges, it was Republicans who passed the ‘64 Civil Rights Bill, and it was urban Congressional Republicans that lost their seats throughout the South after the enactment . BTW…Al Gore’s daddy voted against it and he sure wasn’t a Republican.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
*sigh*
The Good Ol’ Days . . .
Sadly today’s top GOP candidate’s campaign gets derailed by a Katie Couric/fluff piece.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Let’s Not Mention That:
You appear to be under some stress.
While its not easy to watch Obama implode in front of your eyes, it was inevitable.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Let’s Not Mention That—the article linked to in post #4 is an opinion article in the left-leaning Washington Post. It is not a news article —-it is a commentary by a liberal writer who mentions the things that ordinary citizens are doing at Town Hall Meetings and is trying to make a case that those people are crazy by confronting their senator or congressman with legitimate questions or concerns.
If that is a standard of measurement, almost the entire press is guilty of the same behavior when questioning President Bush during his press conferences the last 8 years.
(subliminal)
August 15th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Let’s Not Mention That….you should change your picture. I’m sure most people don’t look at that and call you a kitty or a cat. Hint: P-Word!
August 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
I guess I can’t fool you. How did you ever figure out it just was an “opinion” piece?!
August 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Well, you won’t be seeing as much of acroso. He was accepted at open enrollment at Hot Air. Regular posters are already complaining about him. Give him 60 days and he will be banned and back.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:30 am
Budahmon-Let’s not brag about Earl Warren!
August 16th, 2009 at 6:24 am
Hell, I’ll brag about Earl. My grandfather was a share cropper in the thirties in North Carolina. who was active in Republican politics. He considered Earl Warren to be a friend of his and they corresponded by letter for nearly thirty years (1932 – 1962). He did not agree with a lot of the decisions passed down by the court, but he sure as hell agreed with the segregation and integration decisions. He also corresponded with President Eisenhower during his Presidency, with one of the letters concerning the selection of Earl to the Court. I forgot to include in the original post that the President who integrated schools was: President Eisenhower.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Warren’s rulings on most things were very harmful to the country. He aslo as governor of California supported interning Japanese-Americans.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:12 am
The courts rulings on integration and segregation were not harmful to the country. The courts rulings on some of the criminal/judicial areas were harmful to a certain extent. Yes, Warren did support internship of Japanese-Americans at the start of World War II…as did most the political elite and FDR.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Here’s a courageous idea, rake up the leaves and place them at the curb.
Hahahaha Acroso at hot air… 20 to 1 he doesn’t even last 60 days.
email me @ yourmustbechittingme@insanitypostersunite.com
August 16th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
When you have a writing style (or lack of style) like acroso, it’s easy to get identified. No doubt that he will be banned within 60 days. Peopls are already starting to complain.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Why so suspicious…
This song was written in response to the events during the 1968 Democratic Convention.
Were Dems fooled again with Obama? He’ll be running for reelection with:
-Obamacare on its last legs, which will annoy liberals.
-A 45,000 man Surge in Afghanistan that is twice as large as Bush’s five brigade 20,000 man Iraq surge.
-Continuing the course in Iraq
-Tome deaf to the gay rights movement? maybe, but we’ll see how he reacts to the march in 58 days from now.
The only really good thing he’s done is end extraordinary renditions.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
SOMEONE TELL ME-Has AARP come out in support of the Health Care Plan?
August 16th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Rand Paul goes on the Glen Beck show to talk about the “death panels.”
August 16th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Obama’s Health care plan or coming Comprehensive immigration reform to implement a Guiliani-style national I.D. card?
August 16th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
If anyone hasn’t seen the show, run right out to your Netflix queue and bump it to the top – it’s brilliant, from start to finish. In addition to being extremely funny, well-written and brilliantly acted, it is the best portrayal ever filmed of the problems that arise from an entrenched civil service bureaucracy. For those who are familiar with Wodehouse, think of Sir Humphrey as Jeeves and Jim Hacker as Bertie Wooster. It’s fantastic television – I can’t recommend it highly enough…
August 16th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
MI Conservative
AARP has not “officially endorsed” ObamaCare.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
acroso -
Rand Paul goes on the Glen Beck show to talk about the “death panels.”
If it wasn’t for Sarah Palin, no one would be talking about “death panels.” She coined the term.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:27 am
Further proof, if you needed any, that she can’t discuss anything in a rational manner.
August 17th, 2009 at 5:25 am
If it wasn’t for Sarah Palin, no one would be talking about “death panels.” She coined the term.
Coined?
More like plucked low-lying fruit from the Tree of Crazy.
August 17th, 2009 at 6:09 am
Lets Not Mention That:
“Further proof, if you needed any, that she can’t discuss anything in a rational manner.”
On the contrary, the administration was forced to address the “death panel ” requirements immediately. Those requirements were removed from the bill.
Powerful impact.
August 17th, 2009 at 6:31 am
Too good not to pass along:
h/t instapundit
“HEH: “After news broke that music legend Bob Dylan was picked up by a New Jersey cop who failed to recognize him, President Barack Obama has invited the duo to the White House for what aides are calling a ‘bong summit.’”
August 17th, 2009 at 6:58 am
On the contrary, the administration was forced to address the “death panel ” requirements immediately. Those requirements were removed from the bill.
Powerful impact.
Except that there was no Death Panel.
What was removed from the bill was a minor aspect that a major talking point for the nutter lunatic fringe.
Powerful move.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:24 am
L.
“was a minor aspect”
If you believe rationing health services for the elderly is a minor aspect, I suspect most of the country would disagree.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:30 am
rationing health services for the elderly
Support that statement with with the relevant wording from the original bill, which was removed, according to your previous post.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:39 am
L.
“Support that statement”
I’ll let the administration have the last say on this. They relevant wording has been quickly removed from the Senate bill.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:48 am
I’ll let the administration have the last say on this.
I didn’t think that you could support Sarah’s crazy talk. She’s the voice of the Tree of Crazy.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:54 am
More fallen fruit that the GOP has shaken from the Tree of Crazy:
In Phoenix today:
A man, who decided not to give his name, was walking around the pro-health care reform rally at 3rd and Washington streets, with a pistol on his hip, and an AR-15 (a semi-automatic assault rifle) on a strap over his shoulder.
“Because I can do it,” he said when asked why he was armed. “In Arizona, I still have some freedoms.”
What kind of people bring guns to Presidential events?
Let’s see,
John Wilkes Booth, Charles Guiteau, Leon Czolgosz, Lee Harvey Oswald, Squeeky Fromme, John Hinckley, Jr…
and now… TeaBaggers.
August 17th, 2009 at 9:56 am
33 responses since Friday and nearly half are from acroso or left wing trolls. The authors, who can’t be bothered posting on weekends, don’t seem to care any more nor do most of the readers.
This site is truly in the throes of death.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:06 am
This site is truly in the throes of death.
I have been posting on this website of and on for 5 years. It had its first meltdown over immigration, second meltdown over Iraq plus McCain plus Obama, and ever since there have been daily posts about the website being in the throes of death.
If it is a death rattle, it has been going on for some time.
The old posters visit daily, using pseudonyms.
For me the website has always chatter around the pot belly stove at the General Store of Crazy Town.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:08 am
What kind of people bring guns to Presidential events?
John Wilkes Booth
Lee Harvey Oswald
Squeeky Fromme
John Hinckley, Jr.
Tea Baggers
Teabaggers: Watering the Tree of Crazy.
August 17th, 2009 at 10:11 am
off and on
August 17th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Kay BAILOUT Hutchison is IN for the Texas Governor’s Mansion, during her announcement tour in LaMarque this morning, she slammed incumbent GOP Governor Rick Perry for “trying to stay too long” in his quest to be the state’s first governor to serve 14 years (he’s seeking a 3rd full term).
Hutchison also is pushing for term limits on the office of governor and she might even aggressively call for term limits on all down-ballot statewide offices including the legislature.
http://www.texansforkay.com/
http://www.rickperry.org/
My prediction on the GOP bloodbath in Texas: Perry WINS, 55-45 due to the Evangelicals coming out for him.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:57 am
“Because I can do it,” he said when asked why he was armed. “In Arizona, I still have some freedoms.”
Damn shame. We have stop this Freedom crap. It’s just awful.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
We have stop this Freedom crap.
The nutwing right, exercising their freedom to bring guns to Presidential events. Watering the crazy tree.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
You just don’t like black guys with guns.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
You just don’t like black guys with guns.
Nope. I am color blind when it comes to stupid people bringing guns to Presidential events.
By the way, there were TWO people with guns in Phoenix at the Presidential venue.
Watering the tree of idiocy.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Nope. I am color blind when it comes to stupid people bringing guns to Presidential events.
What’s stupid is people like you that get whipped into a lather over nothing. You hate the guy for nothing, other than the fact he’s different than you. Don’t be such a hater.
By the way, there were TWO people with guns in Phoenix at the Presidential venue.
They were not at the “Presidential venue”, but I realize that ruins your story. Neither was the guy in NH.
The guy was exercising his 1st and 2nd amendment rights. Nothing more, nothing less. He even decided to carry in the open. Besides, there may have been more people at the rally with guns than you think. Folks with CCW permits can carry concealed anywhere it’s not prohibited. CCW holders can even carry an AR-15 concealed.
I don’t blame the guy for being prepared. I read some leftist nutcase’s remark on DU claiming the guy was a danger and his presence was threatening. He supported the claim by saying that the cops can only respond after or when something happens. I see leftist nutcase making the point that the average American, like Chris the gun toting black man, should be prepared to protect themselves since the cops can only respond after it’s too late.
Seek help, not attention.
You’re probably more dangerous than the folks you hate.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
You hate the guy for nothing
Where did I say that I hate him? I merely said that he was stupid.
What’s stupid is people like you
See, you are calling me stupid, don’t be such a hater.
I don’t blame the guy for being prepared.
Prepared? Stupid people walk into crowds with their guns in visible holsters. All someone has to do is come up from behind them in the crowd and remove their gun. Some preparation, allowing the opportunity to lose your gun.
DU claiming the guy was a danger and his presence was threatening.
No, he is just a stupid person confusing health care with gun rights.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
The guy was exercising his 1st and 2nd amendment rights.
He was conflating his 1st and 2nd amendment rights.
They are distinct rights, numbered even.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
File under IRONY:
Your tax money funds the police.
August 17th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
The nutwing right, exercising their freedom to bring guns to Presidential events. Watering the crazy tree.—L
lefty moonbats, pissing on thr freedom tree.
August 17th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Where did I say that I hate him? I merely said that he was stupid.
You equate law abiding citizens to assassins and attempted assassins. That’s pretty hateful.
What kind of people bring guns to Presidential events?
Let’s see,
John Wilkes Booth, Charles Guiteau, Leon Czolgosz, Lee Harvey Oswald, Squeeky Fromme, John Hinckley, Jr…
and now… TeaBaggers.
then
Prepared? Stupid people walk into crowds with their guns in visible holsters. All someone has to do is come up from behind them in the crowd and remove their gun. Some preparation, allowing the opportunity to lose your gun.
You do not know what would happen if someone tried to take their weapons. Maybe they are well prepared for that situation. Most people who carry have taken lots of training courses. Even cops have people attempting to take their weapons. Maybe they shouldn’t carry openly either. Good holsters and good training don’t allow someone to grab your gun that easily though. I do agree that it is not the best to carry openly since some people become hysterical and open carry persons becomes their first target of bad guys intent on harm. Thanks for making the case for CCW permits.
No, he is just a stupid person confusing health care with gun rights.
That is a comment nuttier than the rest.
August 18th, 2009 at 4:47 am
HOW TO GET IN THE GUTTER with the Conservative wackos”
“Progressives are smart enough to realize most Republican men are closet Homosexuals. We monitored their activities at the 2008 RNC in MN and the most POPULAR hangout was Larry Craig’s infamous men’s room at the airport. Yes, Republican males spend a LOT of money hiding the fact they love to suck c*~/. They get on their knees on daily basis but what they REALLY crave is their Corporate Tops. How else does one explain WHY Republicans WANT MORE after getting f*@~ed in the @$$ for 8 years by Bush/Cheney?
AND, there’s ALWAYS Ann Coulter and Jonah Goldberg…
Well America… The shocking video is NOW AVAILABLE! Come on, you can’t tell me everyone already had their suspicions but now the proof is video memory chip. YES, Bull O’Reilly and Gleen Beck have been caught on video having consensual gay sex. Lip readers from CMC KNEW O’Reilly and Beck were USING Male Prostitutes but just happened to be at the right place at the right time to catch them in a disgusting 69 position in a backroom in the FOX News building.
Now that penny pinching motherf*@~er Ruperty Murdoch only offered $100,000 to dispose of this video so all the money he invested in O’Reilly and Beck wasn‘t wasted. Rupert kept their careers alive in the face of sinking ratings and loss of advertisers but he REFUSED to meet the starting bid on this caught on tape video. Bidding starts at $175,000 for this revealing look into Conservative pathology.
Speaking for myself I think Murdoch is gay himself and wants all his male employees to come out of the closet so he won’t feel out of place. I can’t think of any other reason for Murdoch not coming up with the asking price.
Rouse Limbaugh paid $270,000 to save HIS reputation. CMC put a match to the film of him on a sex tour in an unnamed Third World nation. Limbaugh didn’t care if his sick sexual desires made victims of males or females, just as long as they were under 16 years of age. To be honest the film was SO vile, SO disgusting… the best thing for humanity was to destroy this film… a horrible drug induced, sexual display by the fat man on the young sex slave victims.
Hey Rush… “What Ever Happened to PUNISHMENT?” (Limbaugh Letter)”
William P. Goode
NOTE: Ever since the Republicans used me as a scapegoat when the Party funds came up missing I have dedicating my life to get rid of Republican criminals and the Conservatives spokespersons who misdirect attention away from their crimes. C.W.
August 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
L.
Only you could come on here and try to debate death panels without a friggin clue about the House Bill. All I have to say is what I said previously in this thread:
Lets not mention that – Obama would have signed this bill if it had been passed..including
1. Death Panels (thank you Zeke Emmanuel for that stirring tribute to Eugenics that you penned…you are doing a damned fine job advising this President on health care…keep up the good work for us Right Wing crazies).
…
He wrote it…not the Republicans. Its Eugenics to its core…and this guy is advising Bambi and his brother is the Chief of Staff. From your own statements above and your unwillingness to address the members of this administration that are believers in Eugenics…Then one can only surmise that you believe in Eugenics too…..
August 18th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Budahmon, you are great at regurgitating right-wing lies.
Zeke Emmanuel penned a tribute to eugenics? Prove it. Keep all quoted passages within the context intended by the author.
Death Panels? Prove it. If you have a friggin clue about the bill.
…members of this administration that are believers in Eugenics… Prove it.
I believe in eugenics? Bullshit. But no matter, you’d have to prove the above before this statement would even become relevant.
August 18th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
L.
Cass Sunstein…another believer in Eugenics..
From NRO:
How does Sunstein approach end of life care? In 2003 he wrote a paper for the AEI-Brookings Joint Center for Regulatory Studies arguing that human life varies in value. Specifically he champions statistical methods that give preference to what the government rates as “quality-adjusted life years.” Meaning, the government decides whether a person’s life is worth living. If the government decides the life is not worth living, it is the individual’s duty to die to free up welfare payments for the young and productive.
August 18th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Whack-a-mole. Someone finds some passage written decades ago that, if you take it out of context and twist it just so, can be used to defame and demonize the author. The meme gets picked up by the right wing blogosphere and amplified like a megaphone. The meme is proven to be incorrect, but is nonetheless repeated endlessly.
Whack-a-mole.
The term Death Panels is plucked from the bizarre vacuum of a political figure’s mind. It is picked up and repeated endlessly, although it has no basis in fact.
Whack-a-mole.
August 18th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Budahmon, focus, Zeke Emmanuel. What your right wing pablum, NRO, has to say about Cass Sunstein is not relevant at the present time.
August 18th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/PIIS0140673609601379.pdf
L. there’s a helluva lot of crow here for you to eat……for instance:
“This civic republican or deliberative democratic conception of the good provides both procedural and substantive insights for developing a just allocation of health care resources. Procedurally, it suggests the need for public forums to deliberate about which health services should be considered basic and should be socially guaranteed. Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.”
Nah…that’s not eugenics, that’s the thought processes of a progressive forward thinking physician…..
August 18th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
L.
You don’t have a friggin clue about what your Party is doing! Read it! I was just reading Sunstein’s BS prior to seeing your post. I added him to help you in your education about what your party thinks of eugenics and what two important members of this administration believe in…..
Whack-a..Whack-o..Whack-o
Oh by the way you are still a LIAR! WRT the numbers of increased death threats to the President……
August 18th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
But, Budahmon, you stated that Zeke Emmanuel penned a stirring tribute to Eugenics. Read the entire document, evaluate the context, and stop lifting passages. Unless, of course, your intention is to demonize Zeke Emmanuel.
August 18th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html
August 18th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
L.
I even did your homework for you…..I guess my sarcasm by using “stirring tribute” is a little beyond your thought processes……maybe you have a lil bit of that dementia ol’ Zeke’s talking about…yeh!
August 18th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
You link to a pdf, followed by a quote, but the quote is not from the pdf. Where is the quote from?
August 18th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
L.
Whitehouse said not….but you believe a British paper based on a MSM reporter who is selling a book……yeah.
August 18th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Whack-a-mole: You want to believe that Zeke Emmanuel believes in and promotes Eugenics, and so you will believe that, without doing the homework to properly support your thesis. In fact, if you read the definition of eugenics, it appears that Zeke Emmanuel is arguing against eugenics.
August 18th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Damn…I think you can google but here you go:
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Where_Civic_Republicanism_and_Deliberative_Democracy_Meet.pdf
It’s actually worse than the original link..
August 18th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
but you believe a British paper
Be consistent, you quoted NRO.
Whitehouse said not? Link?
August 18th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
L.
Zeke Emmanuel:
“Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia. A less obvious example is guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason.”
I sure as hell can see what Kodiak Barbie was talking about now!!!!
August 18th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
L.
Your link sir…..
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/no-increase-in-presidential-security-despite-town-hall-anger-2009-08-14.html
August 18th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
That link refers to town hall anger, not the 4 fold increase compared with the Bush years. Small crow, but a crow nonetheless.
August 18th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Zeke Emmanuel as proxy:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090812/us_time/08599191583500
August 18th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
L.
“My quotes were just being taken out of context.” – Zeke Emmanuel
“Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed.” – one of his many quotes claimed to be out of contest…
I remember growing up when the State of Alabama (Democrat gov – Sen – House) were sterilizing children in orphanages (mostly black) who’s IQ was below a certain level or they had certain disabilities (blind) …….Now I remember that…and I read this. I think I know Eugenics when I see it….out of context or not.
August 19th, 2009 at 5:37 am
You are absolutely correct, your example from Alabama is Eugenics, and I can safely say that you, myself, and Zeke Emmanuel deplore it. There is a broad history of forced sterilization in this country, and an interesting topic of discussion, but to invoke Zeke Emmanuel would be free association, possibly on crack.
Note that if a sterilization program involves 90 year old dementia patients then it would not be absurd, it would not be Eugenics, since 90 year old people only contribute to the gene pool in the Guiness Book of World Records.
August 19th, 2009 at 5:40 am
Should be, “…it would not only be absurd…”.
August 20th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Zeke Emmanuel does not deplore it…is own writings convict him as being a believer in Eugenics.
He can state until he is blue in the face that this is not what he meant…but I have seen what Dems do when they have total control over something..the perfect example of the sterilization program they launched. These so called progressives were the same ones that launched that program. The so called Tuskegee experiment (1932 – 1972) is another perfect illustration of this type of planning…and Planned Parenthood was founded on Eugenics.
I guess it’s not the actual results of Progressive policies once put in place, but their intentions. Zeke doesn’t intend to be associated with Eugenics..but his policies once in place will eventually lead to that it.
Nat Hentoff agrees: http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/hentoff081909.php3
August 20th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
The original eugenics belief was that some people were “less social and genetic worth” while others had more “social and genetic worth”. How far from this quote of Zeke’s is this really:
“Ultimately, the complete lives system does not create “classes of Untermenschen whose lives and well being are deemed not worth spending money on”, but rather empowers us to decide fairly whom to save
when genuine scarcity makes saving everyone impossible”
but it does…he has already picked the untermenschen….the old, the infirm, the very young and people with neuropsychological disorders.
August 20th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
The so called Tuskegee experiment…
Was not Eugenics, so is an example of free association, not relevance.
August 20th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
If Zeke is guilty of anything it is attempting to tackle the problem of how to allocate limited resources. That is one topic within a wide range of issue in medical ethics.
The right wing method? Drown all of the resources in a bathtub.
Simple end of discussion.
If Zeke is guilty of Eugenics, then drowning government in a bathtub is Genocide.
August 20th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
It is a recurring tactic of the right wing to assign proxies, to identify a Kevin Bacon-like string of associations in order to cast an entire issue in a negative light. Obama equals Raymond Ayers. Health care equals something that Zeke wrote in 1996.
Likewise I can say, Health Care opposition equals Teabaggers equals “Chris with the AR-15″ equals Viper Militia equals Oklahoma City bombing. Hence, Health Care opposition equals terrorists.
See, isn’t Kevin Bacon free association fun?
August 20th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Pluto
You definitely were educated in public schools….I said the Tuskegee experiment was an example of Progressive planning….just like the forced sterilizations were examples of progressive planning. Yet they were started because the blacks in the experiment were not only considered to be the incorrect racial class, but they also were of the lower economic class. Yes, Eugenics was involved….Eugenics is not only stopping the undesireables from breeding but it is also to remove them from Society in general. Eugenics was a social and genetic belief.
but then:
“Ultimately, the complete lives system does not create “classes of Untermenschen whose lives and well being are deemed not worth spending money on”, but rather empowers us to decide fairly whom to save
when genuine scarcity makes saving everyone impossible”
but it does…he has already picked the untermenschen….the old, the infirm, the very young and people with neuropsychological disorders.”
You cannot argue the above statement is not an example of Eugenics nor can you debate my comment above…so your thought process goes rambling off in some direction…..about scarce medical resources. Hmm, do we presently have scarce medical resources here in the United States…Yes we do but only where the government is involved.
August 21st, 2009 at 6:41 am
Tuskegee experiment was an example of Progressive planning…
Wrong. It was a syphilis study. And it did not involve Eugenics. Shared bullshit racial notions, yes. You know that the Tuskegee study began in the 1920’s, a time at which treatments for syphilis were sketchy, whereas the ethical problems with the study did not come into play until after the advent of penicillin. Put your ideas of Eugenics to test with the nascent study in the 1920’s, versus the 1950’s version of the study.
I am currently writing an IRB protocol for research involving human subjects, and so not only have an interest in the history of the Tuskagee experiment, but I am also required by my hospital to understand the ethics.