EXCUSE ME Dear Sir, quick Budgetary update….-
WE’RE BROKE!

…and the VA spends a boatload of money. I worked at one for a bit while in college buffing freaking floors- the same job at a regular hospital piad half the wage (helped I was a desert storm vet). The Docs and Nurses are the same everywhere- overworked and doing there best- but the VA had a bunch of people sitting around on their butts drawing checks for pretty much nothing. “Compliance Officers” and such. The stupid trainings were the best- we ran friggin’ buffers and had to watch 8 hours of videos.

There is so much waste, fraud, and abuse it is ridiculous. Why make it system wide?

“No, it was socialized health care,” Mikey, Stop being Thick! The only reason it is there is to keep those soldiers healthy and ready to go if needed. PERIOD. We as taxpayers pay a pretty freakin’ penny to keep thiose boys healthy as well.

Yes- some retirees and families are also served by the active personnel doc, they are all second tier on the triage- the docs and nurses need training to keep ready as well, plus the obvious benefit to morale.

- “Too sick? Medical Discharge, go away- enjoy the hell known as VA.” – There were a lot of retirees and vets that were still using the active duty hospitals were I served. They were serviced by the same docs that took care of me. In fact, when the military decided that I had to have my wisdom teeth removed, they sent me to a VA hospital for the operation and 3 days of R&R. Mostly all I remember was how good the food was…

Private Ins certainly has its faults, but I would prefer the pressures from the laws of Supply and Demand to sort it out to more damnable bureaucratic controls, rules, taxes, etc.

That’s the problem with Republicans. They claim government doesn’t work and is evil and then set out and prove it. I wouldn’t go to a vet that hates animals. Why the hell anyone would elect a Republican is beyond me.

LOL No it wasn’t!
That’s Effing Asset Protection!
You really compare the military taking care of a couple hundred thounsand youths in the prime of their life to the pleasusre of a true social health care system??? Do you know where the truly sick soldiers ended up? Tossed out on a Medical Discharge.
In the VA system. At the VA Hospital. There is your Social utopia, and those places ain’t pretty.
Right know we have four major systems that provide healthcare: Medicare, Medicaid, VA, and Private Insurance. One of those does a pretty decent job plus turns a modest 2% or so profit- and it ain’t none of the Government ones.

Why you clowns want to screw it up? Fix your Social Bullshit first!

Woefully ignorant.”

LOL that type of response can only be made by someone who is Willfully or Woefully ignorant of what has happened to prices and quality in free market systems SINCE THE BEGINNING of TIME.

Friggin’ pompous blowhard….

My thoughts exactly for the past year. I still can’t fathom how anyone thinks people who react so disproportionately to perceived (generally imagined) threats should have ANY control over government.

Public option =Canadian system?

Once people realize health isn’t a commodity to be traded, we’ll have our universal health care. Since every other western nation blazed that trail for us, we can design a system taking the failures and short-comings into account. Then all the butthurt Wingnuts can get the treatment they will so desperately need.

Time to scrap this pile of crap and start over.

Damn straight. Jettison all the Republican crap since the bastards won’t vote for a bill anyway. Let’s get the real reform started.

…it was a damn sight better than what I get under the private care that I use now.

Except for those damn 18-gauge needles. The IV portion of the Combat Lifesaver Course was a bitch.

All this over something as mundane as HCR. Makes me look forward to the Wingnut meltdown when immigration reform becomes front and center.

I also don’t understand why you believe that that a private health delivery system with a financial incentive to deny you care will be any less inclined to ration care than a govenrment system with no such incentive. After being under both systems, it’s been my experience that the only one that rations care is the private delivery system.

- “There are multiple quality-of-life vs. treatment cost controls in our HCR that will interfere in private care decisions, that DO amount to death panel(s). ” – That’s BS. There’s no more interference than you currently have now, except that the HCR bill prohibits insurers from the more common dishonest practices against their customers.

- “It’s one of the reasons members of Congress are the only one’s exempt from HCR provisions.” – How so? All HCR requires is that people have adequate health insurance. As long as members of Congress have a health care plan, they comply. No one is exempt. There’s nothing in HCR that prevents you from getting better insurance than that proposed by HCR.

I also don’t understand why you believe that that a private health delivery system with a financial incentive to deny you care will be any less inclined to ration care than a govenrment system with no such incentive. After being under both systems, it’s been my experience that the only one that rations care is the private delivery system.

- “There are multiple quality-of-life vs. treatment cost controls in our HCR that will interfere in private care decisions, that DO amount to death panel(s). ” – That’s BS. There’s no more interference than you currently have now, except that the HCR bill prohibits insurers from the more common dishonest practices against their customers.

- “It’s one of the reasons members of Congress are the only one’s exempt from HCR provisions.” – How so? All HCR requires is that people have adequate health insurance. No one is exempt. There’s nothing in HCR that prevents you from getting better insurance that that proposed by HCR.